Heading to Amsterdam with an Angel?

[Nick Brockdorff]

and who's right on the millennium vote?
Magued or Nick?

I am

It's based on the votes of 132 teams at the Maxs Masters.

That having been said - results might be completely different after the DMA.... now that rampiing is not longer a shiny new toy to many teams - and they start to see the drawbacks.... and then every event have a vastly different mix of teams - not even half the teams play all events.... which will also account for differences.



Nick

 

[Magued]

Baco?

I dont understand it either? Now as Itn pointed out Im Swedish so forgive my ignorance, but what did you mean?
And regarding the figures, I got them from 2 different germans involved in the Maxs masters and Millenium org. So I cant back those figures up. Dont have hard facts here.

Magued

 

[Intheno]

Love that you called him Baco!
Magued rocks the house. Swede Power!!

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Intheno
Love that you called him Baco!
Magued rocks the house. Swede Power!!

'Switched teams, as it were?'

Dyslexia is an illness, you insensitive lout.

I'm wondering if Mags is blowing off the MS and planning to go with NPPL Euroland, of course. Or is that impolitic of me?

 

[Intheno]

pretty sure Magued blew off the MS when he kept losing money running one of thier best events in what is probably the best party location in the world, while the Millennium 'in-crowd' made-out due to the way sponsorship interest/funding was channelled into the series. Could be wrong though.
If I am mistaken its not because I'm lying or being dishonest, thats for damn sure....

 

[Gyroscope]

You mincing little ninnies.

It is entirely obvious why the creature with multiple bodies that is WDP/PP/NPPL has seemingly different approaches to the ramping thing, and how WDP can continue to issue ramping software while decrying it in a press release.

WDP has multiple missions that serve the cause of selling more markers. One mission is to have a credible tournament series, since they make tournament guns. Pure Promotions was created as the division of the beast in charge of realizing this. The NPPL is a collection of people who have credibility, but (did) not (have) money. Pure Promotions backed them, and probably does ultimately have veto power.

Market demand for ramping guns made offering such modes necessary for any major gun manufacturer. After WDP got it so wrong on anti-chop technology, I believe that they were determined not to be left behind on this little developement. It was herd behaviour, but probably had to happen for them to keep selling guns.

I can see how WDP might be making a sincere statement of belief, while not leaving it's customers at a disadvantage. It is generally accepted that ramping guns represent a competitive advantage over non-ramping guns, regardless of questions of game quality, legality, safety, or whatever. To keep Angels relevant, ramping must be possible if it is available on other guns.

This is a situation in which the one who takes a "stand" will be decapitated. Companies are entities entirely concerned with generating money. If you make no money today, worrying about the long term good of the sport is beyond the means of a company.

WDP might be a bit cowardly or hypocritical by saying one thing on ramping while permitting another, but they are, after all, a company. Expecting them to behave like a person, and placing similar moral burdens on them is naive or disingenuous.

EDIT:
WDP, to achieve it's goal, has to give customers what they want.
PP has to support an event that is professionally run.
NPPL has to run an event which is credible as a sporting event (at least in the minds of customers).

 

[BlitZZkrieg Mueller]

back2topic

..., ok besides whatever might be with WDP, PP, NPPL, CIA, KGB, Osama B L, Nothkorea, Penthouse magazine and the bank of cayman islands, ... I am talking about the real story behind it all, the BIG conspiracy, not the childish bull**** before, but as said back to topic, ...

WDP as the only manufacturer out there, makes sure that players using their guns within the millenium series are aware that they are:

a. shooting a mode which is somehow agreed in between players and tournament organizers BUT is not written explicit somewhere in the rulesbook

b. the PSP mode, can cause injuries by shooting more balls the the trigger has been pulled, having more balls hitting the target at th same spot, etc. ...

c. players can put themselves in a position where it is easy to get them pulled by the refs for shooting a mode which isnt clarified. Who does the decision in between the games, was it 15bps or 18bps, was it shooting just 2 balls after stop firing or was it 6, who can count that in between seconds of a game?

As said, WDP just recommend, not using PSP mode, for players using their equipment, to be absolutly on the safe side regarding this issue. To be honest, I cant see anything bad about this advise, do you?

Cu...
ulf mueller

 

[Sherman]

back2topic

Originally posted by BlitZZkrieg Mueller

b. the PSP mode, can cause injuries by shooting more balls the the trigger has been pulled, having more balls hitting the target at th same spot, etc. ...

This is a valid concern, but I believe it's the same with semi autos too. Who hasn't seen a player lit up 10+ hits with semis? PSP mode has been in use for quite some time in PSP events and atleast I've not heard of any injuries caused by over shooting.

What I'd like to see is MS to loosen up their rules about head and neck protection. Use as much protection as you feel needed, no matter if it's ramping or semi only.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Wow, the hornets nest has really stirred.

WDP are a business that caters for the desires of its customers. They provide the ramping codes for those that chose to use it.

If they don't they are commercially disadvantaged to those other manufacturers. And as ITN says, the guns are shipped without the modes whereas we have seen others (specifically one) sell thiers with it all installed, even when it wasnt even on the agenda.

To make a commercial decision and to advise on a moral stance seems to me to be the only option for WDP.

I would, though, like them to produce a semi-only tourney board that either cannot be doctored or is easily interogatable. I have called for industry lead measures before.

WDP GO THE EXTRA YARD AND SHOW THE WAY!!!!

Too many manufacturers in the past have been guilty of assisting the rule 'pushers'. Lets see a change of tack here and get some proper tournament semi-only legal equipment issued by those that are in the best position to to it.

Then we can really get to the cheats, banning for long periods, fines the whole 9 yards.

WDP like to comment? I respect WDP, differentiate yourself further!

The caveate here is that they are perfectly within their rights to offer upgrades for players markers being used in countries and under laws and rules that allow them.

Mark

 

[trummar]

Why?

One year ago disussions were about illegal ramping in Mill.series and NPPL. This year the Millennium have done something to level the field. So now everybody can ramping.

So... Last year only selected PRO-players had magic-software. This year everybody has it.

It just seems so striking that a manufacturer come with a statement about their view on ramping. When they were "most likely" giving ramping boards to their selected PRO-players last year, and therefore digging their own grave.

Ramping is like heroin. And now the pusher is telling you that it is bad for you.

Please read between the lines as my intention is not to discredit any particular firm. I am trying to generalize but english is not easy for us norwegians.