Well then..
I would recomend that if you get hurt by a ramping gun you should sue the promoter. I know that in Germany people got hurt and even had to seek medical assistance. That if nothing else will stop this BS. Mess with rules, reffs, safety or whatever. But as soon as thier money is in danger we wont have a ramping problem. Promise!
Magued
Ps. the vote regarding ramping in Germany was something like 60 teams said No, 40 teams said 15bps cap without ramping and 20 teams said yes to ramping and 15 bps. What happend with that??
I would recomend that if you get hurt by a ramping gun you should sue the promoter. I know that in Germany people got hurt and even had to seek medical assistance. That if nothing else will stop this BS. Mess with rules, reffs, safety or whatever. But as soon as thier money is in danger we wont have a ramping problem. Promise!
Magued
Ps. the vote regarding ramping in Germany was something like 60 teams said No, 40 teams said 15bps cap without ramping and 20 teams said yes to ramping and 15 bps. What happend with that??
What type of medical assisstance was required in Germany?
Was it directly due to being shot with a ramping marker?
As far as suing is concerned, just depends on the language in the waivers you sign before you play. In the US, you pretty well sign away all rights in regard to safety...
Was it directly due to being shot with a ramping marker?
As far as suing is concerned, just depends on the language in the waivers you sign before you play. In the US, you pretty well sign away all rights in regard to safety...
Pathetic.
"Ramping is very, very bad... hey, want to buy a ramping marker?"
Either WDP believes ramping is safe, in which case the press release is an attempt to attack others for doing something WDP believes is ok, or WDP doesn't believe ramping is safe, in whic case they're willing to compramise safety to make a buck. That WDP owns PP was merely offerred as an explanation as to why the rpess release may have ended up somewhere in the middle.
If WDP were actually taking a stand, instead of just talking like they were making a stand, they'd create a standard, semi-auto board with publically available code and a verification mechanism, and sell only markers with that board in it, AND require that all electronic markers in NPPL have that board, or a variation of it.
THAT would be taking a stand.
At best, WDP is currently just slightly less guilty than everybody else.
If we allow the industry to fool us by substituting pleasant-sounding, ass-covering press releases for real action while they continue to profit from the very behavior they're speaking out against we're never going to get anywhere.
"Ramping with a 15 bps cap will solve the problem" is a lie. "Our robot makes sure everyone shoots semi-auto" is a lie. "We don't think ramping is safe, but we've got guns that meet your ramping needs" is hypocracy.
No, all we're saying is that WDP is NOT taking a stand. WDP is just trying to LOOK like they're taking a stand while they ship ramping markers out the door.
"Ramping is very, very bad... hey, want to buy a ramping marker?"
Either WDP believes ramping is safe, in which case the press release is an attempt to attack others for doing something WDP believes is ok, or WDP doesn't believe ramping is safe, in whic case they're willing to compramise safety to make a buck. That WDP owns PP was merely offerred as an explanation as to why the rpess release may have ended up somewhere in the middle.
If WDP were actually taking a stand, instead of just talking like they were making a stand, they'd create a standard, semi-auto board with publically available code and a verification mechanism, and sell only markers with that board in it, AND require that all electronic markers in NPPL have that board, or a variation of it.
THAT would be taking a stand.
At best, WDP is currently just slightly less guilty than everybody else.
If we allow the industry to fool us by substituting pleasant-sounding, ass-covering press releases for real action while they continue to profit from the very behavior they're speaking out against we're never going to get anywhere.
"Ramping with a 15 bps cap will solve the problem" is a lie. "Our robot makes sure everyone shoots semi-auto" is a lie. "We don't think ramping is safe, but we've got guns that meet your ramping needs" is hypocracy.
Chicago, I am still not getting you, and you are still jumping to ridiculous conclusions about WDP's influence in the NPPL. If WDP was able to enforce new rules and standards in the NPPL 2 things would happen.
1. Within 5 minutes everyone would know. This may hurt the conspiracy theorists among us, but it would definitely be common knowledge and the NPPL's credibility would understandably take a serious knock. As this hasn't happened either people in paintball have suddenly learned to keep thier mouths shut, or more likely, it isn't actually the case, which leaves the conspiracy theorists room to ply thier dubious trade.
2. They would do it. Tha absence of firm action in this regard is a good sign of the absence of WDP. One thing they do is shake things up.
Moving on. I don't believe WDP intended to make a stand. They intended to make a statement, which they have obviously done. This 'stand' thing is another sensationalist term, you've been doing that a lot today. I mean, the swedish guy can do it because English is his second language. Whats your excuse?
WDP did make a semi only board. They made it for Europe (funnily enough) because of the varying laws in each country. As these laws mean nothing to the MS (a body that seems strangely exempt from your attacks on ramping) and ramping is now allowed, whats the problem with making it available? Its allowed, right?
I look at the statement like this. We don't agree with ramping, but its in the rules, so if you want it we will give it to you.
Do you seriously think WDP would have issued ramping codes if they were not in the rules (like everyoine else did?)
Also, I was under the impression that you had to take the gun to WDP to get the ramping 'put in'. I do not see this as 'shipping ramping guns out the door'. Its an obvious one, but I thought I would point it out.
Wow, there are so many holes in your argument I am starting to cramp up with all the typing. Gotta go.
Still waiting for an answer on what gun your shoot yourself...
1. Within 5 minutes everyone would know. This may hurt the conspiracy theorists among us, but it would definitely be common knowledge and the NPPL's credibility would understandably take a serious knock. As this hasn't happened either people in paintball have suddenly learned to keep thier mouths shut, or more likely, it isn't actually the case, which leaves the conspiracy theorists room to ply thier dubious trade.
2. They would do it. Tha absence of firm action in this regard is a good sign of the absence of WDP. One thing they do is shake things up.
Moving on. I don't believe WDP intended to make a stand. They intended to make a statement, which they have obviously done. This 'stand' thing is another sensationalist term, you've been doing that a lot today. I mean, the swedish guy can do it because English is his second language. Whats your excuse?
WDP did make a semi only board. They made it for Europe (funnily enough) because of the varying laws in each country. As these laws mean nothing to the MS (a body that seems strangely exempt from your attacks on ramping) and ramping is now allowed, whats the problem with making it available? Its allowed, right?
I look at the statement like this. We don't agree with ramping, but its in the rules, so if you want it we will give it to you.
Do you seriously think WDP would have issued ramping codes if they were not in the rules (like everyoine else did?)
Also, I was under the impression that you had to take the gun to WDP to get the ramping 'put in'. I do not see this as 'shipping ramping guns out the door'. Its an obvious one, but I thought I would point it out.
Wow, there are so many holes in your argument I am starting to cramp up with all the typing. Gotta go.
Still waiting for an answer on what gun your shoot yourself...
Magued
The ones I heard were:
49% no to ramping and PSP
36% yes to ramping and PSP
15 % yes to ramping and no to PSP
So - more than 50 % wanted ramping!
Now - while I personally think ramping sucks and makes the game more defensive - I don't really see the point of a manufacturer saying they are against ramping, but that people can buy it and use it at their own discretion?
I still think the manufacturers should help the Series device ways to control ramping - and the only surefire way to do that, is to design guns so that boards and programming are easily accessible for enforcement.
Nick
Where did you get those numbers???
The ones I heard were:
49% no to ramping and PSP
36% yes to ramping and PSP
15 % yes to ramping and no to PSP
So - more than 50 % wanted ramping!
Now - while I personally think ramping sucks and makes the game more defensive - I don't really see the point of a manufacturer saying they are against ramping, but that people can buy it and use it at their own discretion?
I still think the manufacturers should help the Series device ways to control ramping - and the only surefire way to do that, is to design guns so that boards and programming are easily accessible for enforcement.
Nick
You must be extra confused today ITN cus I didn't ask any questions.
As to long words I actually write the way I talk--sad, I know, but true and to do anything substantially different would be to treat y'all like children and, oddly, I have just a wee bit too much respect for you to do that.
And as for nobody wanting to blame the MS, you seem to be doing the job quite satisfactorily. And hey, you got Mags to jump in and help out. Does that mean he's switched teams, as it were? (See, that last bit was a question. If you go back you'll see the other stuff doesn't have that hook-like symbol . . .
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sorry, I missed your addition, guess I get to cramp up again.
The quotes, sorry, 'lies' that you added, can you tell me where you extracted them from? ie, they are in quotation marks, so someone must have either said them, or they are written somewhere.
Can you let me know where?
If you put stuff in quotation marks it means you are quoting someone. If you do it without quoting anyone but instead make your own words up and represent, via the use of quotation marks, that it has been said by someone else (NPPL, WDP or whoever) that is, in fact, a lie.
Is it bad grammar or are you lying, or maybe you can back it up, although I seriously doubt it.
'Put up or shut up' time.....
The quotes, sorry, 'lies' that you added, can you tell me where you extracted them from? ie, they are in quotation marks, so someone must have either said them, or they are written somewhere.
Can you let me know where?
If you put stuff in quotation marks it means you are quoting someone. If you do it without quoting anyone but instead make your own words up and represent, via the use of quotation marks, that it has been said by someone else (NPPL, WDP or whoever) that is, in fact, a lie.
Is it bad grammar or are you lying, or maybe you can back it up, although I seriously doubt it.
'Put up or shut up' time.....
Loco - yes, it was a question, but I don't know what you mean.
'Switched teams, as it were?'
I don't know what you mean, which, strangely, is what I wrote in my last post. Its not a matter of vocabulary this time, I just don't get what you are talking about.
Switched teams from where, and to where? Seems his (unsolicited) point is pretty clear, but then its the only point in this whole ramping issue that anyone can hang thier hat on, and its been brought up a couple of times in this thread already, so I am not sure why it is of special note....
'Switched teams, as it were?'
I don't know what you mean, which, strangely, is what I wrote in my last post. Its not a matter of vocabulary this time, I just don't get what you are talking about.
Switched teams from where, and to where? Seems his (unsolicited) point is pretty clear, but then its the only point in this whole ramping issue that anyone can hang thier hat on, and its been brought up a couple of times in this thread already, so I am not sure why it is of special note....