Designer Cheating !!!

[TheRo0sTer]

Originally posted by Inferno


As one of the Yanks that frequents this forum I suddenly feel the urge to stand up for my fellow countrymen in defense of their deplorable lack of proficiency in the use of the English language. Unfortunately, I do not feel I can. It seems as though many of my American counterparts on this site(with a few exceptions) do not possess these essential skills. I often come across posts that resemble something an eight year old child would write, likely the result of some educational barrier through which only some of us may pass. Even so, I is appalling that no American came to challenge your views on this subject. That is why I would like to bring something to everyone’s attention:

You misspelled Buddha’s name, you steroid-filled, egotistical, British ba###rd!

You see Inferno, I don't find what Robbo said all that insulting! As a matter of fact there are a few so called Yanks that write like they are in the 3rd grade. Most of my post if Mr Robbo includes me in this Group of flunkies, is a mixture of slang and terms used here in the UK. But when I have to use typing in a formal forum at work I do my best not to sound like an illiterate fool. I will be the 1st to tell Mr Robbo that I am not an English Scholar. If I was I sure as hell would not be flaunting it all over these boards. LOL Besides it's message boards and chat rooms that are killing the educated persons ability to write complete sentences and use proper grammar. Another funny fact is people other than Mr Robbo and said others with good schooling tend to not hang out in Forums like P8ntballer!

 

[Phoenix]

LOL, I find this very humorous. I am, actually, an English major in school. Although, when I type here in a forum I am just throwing whatever comes to mind down. That usually entails slang, and shortcuts in spelling. Also, to say "English" is a very broad term. You look at the 4 major countries that speak English (America, England, Canada, and Australia) and they all have different dialects and spellings. The people who speak English as their second language will speak it in the "text book" fashion. So, I suppose their English will be better. I don't know, I don't have my degree yet

 

[Inferno]

To prevent this thread from going on a serious tangent that I might have sparked by my response to Robbo, I would like to add something to the discussion. How many of would would be in favor of an after-tournament marker inspection along with your ideas of stronger on-field chronographing? Most, if not all motorsports have an after tournament inspection of the winner's vehicle to ensure the victory was earned, not stolen. The idea of a independent organization was brought up, but if it is too difficult to implement, I feel that an inspection by tournament organizers would be more realistic. Would you mind waiting after a tournament for a marker inspection?

 

[Liz]

Originally posted by Inferno
To prevent this thread from going on a serious tangent that I might have sparked by my response to Robbo, I would like to add something to the discussion. How many of would would be in favor of an after-tournament marker inspection along with your ideas of stronger on-field chronographing? Most, if not all motorsports have an after tournament inspection of the winner's vehicle to ensure the victory was earned, not stolen. The idea of a independent organization was brought up, but if it is too difficult to implement, I feel that an inspection by tournament organizers would be more realistic. Would you mind waiting after a tournament for a marker inspection?

I see no problems with that, the only people who would have any objections would be people with something to hide. Of course, there would be some logistics to work out, e.g. teams that haven't qualified might not want to hang around for the finals if they have a long journey & suchlike, and what to do about players/teams with spare markers, but it could always be made a condition to have preliminary rounds marks confirmed by the marker inspection, and again for the final results.

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

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Originally posted by Inferno


Even so, I is appalling that no American came to challenge your views on this subject.

You misspelled Buddha’s name, you steroid-filled, egotistical, British ba###rd!

Just yanking your chain mate (get it YANKing hahahahahaha).

Can I just ask what advantage people get if they have a fully auto marker? People seem to be saying that you don't get any...

The matter of adjusting velocity etc: Well I guess it can only be handled by proving they are cheating and then using REALLY strict penalties (like banning them for life) as a deterant.

I think that also reporting of suspected cheats should be encouraged (I undersand on this forum team X and player Y is appropriate, but could these suspicions not be passed onto governing boddies who could then watch these individuals for suspicious behavior). Maybe this is already happening. But if we want this sport of ours to continue (and grow) then we need to ensure that its reputation is not sullied by dangerous (premeditaded) and unsporting behaviour.

Just my thoughts

Richard

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Marker Inspections

Duncster:
I doubt very much that companies would give away their product (which is effectivley what they are doing by giving out a copy of their firmware). Most companies won't even let their sales figures out the front door!

IF such a body were to ever happen, it would have to be highly controlled by the various governing bodies around the world, maybe even be part of a (someday to be set up) world governing body, a sort of FIFA or FIA of paintball - quite a way off still.

Hopefully those who will eventually become the world governing body read these posts and decide to implement the "Firmware Hit Squad" (to be forever known as "The Firm" ), you never know.

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side note: "That" tourney you mentioned was before my Bugout days, I should have said that before, I was still with my first team, the Leopards

 

[Buddha 3]

I don't think it is a good plan to check all the markers of all the teams, if something along those lines were to be implemented. It would be a logistical nightmare! It takes quite some time to check all those circuitry boards, so checking all markers would take days! So the best way would be to check the winning markers, just like they check the winning bikes and cars.

About companies giving out the details of their product, I don't see why not. Anybody with a bit of understanding of electronics can tell you the ins and outs of how the circuitry on an Angel works without ever having played paintball! There's no secret magic to it, it's all just basic electronic gizmo stuff.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Buddha, I agree totally with the amount of time it would take to check boards in all markers - way too long.

My initial suggestion was for markers which are suspected 'funny' to be checked, but I also agree that thw winners should be done. Throw in maybe a random check policy as well, and no way would anyone try it anymore, well, I know I wouldn't. (Not that I have already, y'all understand! )

Maybe someday (and I'm talking so far in the future now it aint funny) it will be part of the standard post-game check - two for chrony and two for "Flashing" (I kinda like that term* )

*Not only would it be honouring me

 

[Robin Hood]

I'm not too sure about the full auto/burst fire etc. problem. But as for the chrono adjusting, you could add some kind of device to the end of the barrel of each paintgun (or somehow attatch it on the body)before they go onto the field, this device will measure the speed of every shot, if not the speed of random shots fired. This could then be relayed back to the chrono station, where they can monitor the speeds of the paintballs of every player on the field. Any recorded speeds above the set limit could be highlight or something along those lines and the player then pulled from the game or penalised at the end.

The trick with something like that would be having a universal device that can be very easily simply clipped on to the marker, and off again, without imparing the vision or affecting balance too much. The advantage with this is that the player wouldn't be able to manipulate this chronograph in the short period of time it takes before the game starts and all speeds from every player on both teams could be simultaneously monitored - thus eradicating the need for random chrono checks on field, therefore less game interuption.

Just an idea.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Continued...

As my last post doesn't want to update to include the 2nd half...

*Not only would it be honouring me as the person who had the idea but it's a technical term to do with programming chips anyways.
And don't anybody mention men in dirty macs.

It could possibly be part of the tourney registration - to get your player tag, your marker must be flashed.
It needn't take too long to do either, with the correct programme, the time would be taken communicating with the markers, it would take literally seconds to compare the whole teams firmware (aka to "flash" a whole team ), just a simple piece of software to open two files and compare them byte by byte.

AJermstad - outstanding idea with the on-marker chrony-ing!

I can just picture it now - having a marshal watching a laptop for a 10-man game, everyone doing 20 bps on the breakout (like I said, way in the future), with all those shot readouts flying back and forth. Wow, that's like, 400 shots per second, damn you'd have to be good to spot a 301 in there! (although saying that, the program would be written to flag up any hot shots).
The computer marshal radios the field to tell them to pull player X (damn he's a bad boy ) and give his team appropriate penalties.

Obviously there would have to be rules to cover that random "spike" shot that happens (and we all know it does, just one damp paintball is all it takes!)

Roll on another 30 years!