Designer Cheating !!!

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Robbo
Something amazes me when I visit the boards of P8ntballer.com and it is the level of English that our mainland Europeans display.
The likes of Budha, the guy above Mortenj, Nick Brockdorf, Mag, Jean Manuel Maries, and so on.
In a lot of cases these guys write better English than the average English poster...now if we were to ask the average Brit to write in a foreign language........oh.......my......... God !!!
There is however one redeeming trait for us Brits in all this, I have seen many posts, received many emails (thousands) from all over the world and without doubt, the worst exponents of the English Language are the Yanks, their proficiency in basic spelling and grammar is remedial, unbelievably bad.
This is of course excepting the likes of Justin Owen, Tyger and the rest of the Yank contributors to PGI
So on that note, up yours you Yanky ba###rds
Anyway, to the Europeans mentioned...Respect !
Robbo

Thanks for the compliment Robbo.
I can't speak for any of the other nations, but I can explain why the Dutch have a tendency to learn other languages.
Holland is a country that hardly produces anything, yet we are one of the richest countries in the world. This is all because we try to get involved in any business going on anywhere in the world. Want to buy or sell something? Expect a Dutch middleman to be around. Which is why we have the largest port in the world (Rotterdam). In other words, our national product is basically jus service, which can only be achieved by adapting to your business partners, i.e. speaking their lingo.
I believe the Dutch national motto is: Give me money!

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
Thanks for the compliment Robbo.
I can't speak for any of the other nations, but I can explain why the Dutch have a tendency to learn other languages.
Holland is a country that hardly produces anything, yet we are one of the richest countries in the world. This is all because we try to get involved in any business going on anywhere in the world. Want to buy or sell something? Expect a Dutch middleman to be around. Which is why we have the largest port in the world (Rotterdam). In other words, our national product is basically jus service, which can only be achieved by adapting to your business partners, i.e. speaking their lingo.
I believe the Dutch national motto is: Give me money!

Hey Bud, you may not produce anything but you deal in the two most popular and tradebale commodities known to man...drugs and sex.......Duuuuuuuuude, that's why you Dutch are so damn rich
Pete

 

[Buddha 3]

Doesn't that count as service?

 

[Duncster]

I was young and impressionable...2 years ago..... what can I say?? Anyway, I know it doesn't fix it, but I'll bet that if you were allowed to use modes in a tourney, most of you would try it out....and I KNOW modes have been used where it was banned, and I'll bet a large portion of british tourney players have witnessed this too!!

As for whether modes were legal at the time or not, I can't remember. But in this particular tournament it wasn't regarding as cheating, as it was stated in the captains meeting that they were permitted. And as I said, we took the trophy home with no help from Full-Auto whatsoever! (remember we lost that game...)

dunc.

 

[Collier]

If modes were allowed and if I unlocked them on my angel damn right I'd use 'em or at least try em!

Paul

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by Walker (PsychoPimps)
from what ive heard its easy with the RaceGun frame for the cocker to program different modes in, and activate them in the middle of a ga....err....i mean.....DOH

It's VERY easy to change the mode on a RaceGun frame - as long as you can convice the marshals that the Palm or Laptop connected to the grip is just an extra battery pack or something!

As with ALL other electro markers, as has been said already, if you overwrite the chips program with your own, then away you go, instant t%^t!

Personally, I've found F/A a useful tool for setting up my marker - it's certain that it's going at it's maximum rate, whereas in true semi, I fire faster during a game than when tinkering (although, it can be quite an adrenaline rush timing cockers.... )

Duncster: I played at the tourney you mentioned, and I've got to say - it was painful! I have no idea why you got that Angel on your team "turned on" for a game, those Angels on your team were fast enough as it was - those chaps knew how to sweet-spot their triggers!

As for the whole thing of adding designer cheats, these people are risking the sport we all love - let's ban them for life!

Obviously a step this big would require some serious proof - along the lines of the marker manufacturer verifying the grip Firmware. This however would lead to allegations of 'factory' teams, teams with friends in the factory etc having their grips verified whatever the firmware was.

What we would need is for an independant body, to whom the manufacturers submit copies of all official firmwares. If a marker/grip is suspected of being funny, it is checked by this 'firmware team' at major tourneys, (or sent to them from minor ones), results come back "positive" of the chip having a non-official program - that player is banned for life from all tourneys worldwide - NO-MATTER WHO HE/SHE IS

 

[Duncster]

Flash, I think the only time I played you was at Bullswood AGGEEESSS ago when Clive and Laurent guested for you and you won. We certainly didn't use modes at that one!! But you lot kicked our arses something chronic!! That was the day we maxed 6 games out of 8, but still came finished last with minus points for hot guns!! last time I ever mixed and matched paint!

I can only reach high rates of fire by fanning the trigger. My fingers just aint fast enough, but even so I've reached a game average of 14 bps on a few occasions, and that aint with full auto. You just don't need it these days!!!

Even if someone is using full-auto, it aint giving them much of an advantage at all. If any, for that matter!!

Anyway, as for the Firmware argument, the idea of a "Firmware Conformation Standard" plan, I like it. But would the Marker manufacturers be willing to reveal the full specifications of their firmware to a whole world of potential rivals?

Dunc.

 

[Fab81]

Originally posted by Robbo
I had a conversation recently with a highly respected and influential person in paintball, his identity matters not, only his credentials.
He told me something that shocked me, now maybe I was being naive but I think if what we discussed turns out to be true ( and I believe it is after my talk with him) then perhaps my naivety would be better described as idealism.
He told me that certain teams and at the moment it serves no purpose to reveal their names (though I do know them), have a policy of designer cheating when it comes to setting up their markers.
This cheat comes in two forms; firstly, it allows those predisposed to have their guns fire virtually full auto.
Secondly and in my opinion, much more serious, is the ability to fire above the tournament limit of 300 fps and in some cases, well above.
Now come the time the judge gets his hands on the gun or the player is asked to chronograph, the marker is now not in the same mode, so it is not detected.
I think we all have known that players push boundaries (a euphemism for cheating in my book) in this area but to have teams institutionalise this, is quite another thing.
I know I have been on a field and had paint whizzing in at me like a frikkin steam train from their back guys whereas mine is falling short but I don't think I put this down to (at the time) any thing more serious than a one-off.
Apparently the situation is far more serious than I had thought and one I know that not only Magued (as promoter of a Millennium tournament) is aware of.
I was told by my initial enlightener that steps were going to be taken but to tell the truth, I heard that last year and the resolve of the Millennium to do on-field chronographing was little more than a standing joke.
It seems ironic to me that they make a massive hoo-ha about the no-look rule (since removed) and whack it in the rule-book, enforcing it without delay and yet their stated policy of trying to catch and prevent hot guns is laughable.
If you are gonna try and catch these people or dissuade them from doing this sh#t then have the balls to chronograph them on field when the game is going on as many times as it takes.
No sensible minded paintballer is gonna have a problem with that, in fact, the only players or teams who might have a problem are the very ones who are cheating the **** outa the rest of us !
Over to you Mag
Pete

I also heard that by some well known french player.
Some teams fire in full-auto and/or above the 300 limit, and when the marshall seems to be curious about that, they come back to legal settings.
For example, (I don't know if it's true, I didn't see that) an X English player and tech who marshalled the campaign was convinced that a player from a X big team was cheating. He took his marker, but before he took it, the player in question have done a rapid manipulation on his marker, so he tried to see how to active the cheat if there was one, but he didn't manage to do it.

So I think that we need to enforce rules and respect it, even for the bigger team. I totally agree with Robbo (even if he doesn't like french ) :

If you are gonna try and catch these people or dissuade them from doing this sh#t then have the balls to chronograph them on field when the game is going on as many times as it takes.

Fab

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Ok I must retract my statement about Refs cheating on the Chrono!!! I may have miss understood what my source was trying to tell me. All is well in the world. But I won't let him chrono my Angel! LOL

 

[Inferno]

Originally posted by Robbo
Something amazes me when I visit the boards of P8ntballer.com and it is the level of English that our mainland Europeans display.
The likes of Budha, the guy above Mortenj, Nick Brockdorf, Mag, Jean Manuel Maries, and so on.
In a lot of cases these guys write better English than the average English poster...now if we were to ask the average Brit to write in a foreign language........oh.......my......... God !!!
There is however one redeeming trait for us Brits in all this, I have seen many posts, received many emails (thousands) from all over the world and without doubt, the worst exponents of the English Language are the Yanks, their proficiency in basic spelling and grammar is remedial, unbelievably bad.
This is of course excepting the likes of Justin Owen, Tyger and the rest of the Yank contributors to PGI
So on that note, up yours you Yanky ba###rds
Anyway, to the Europeans mentioned...Respect !
Robbo

As one of the Yanks that frequents this forum I suddenly feel the urge to stand up for my fellow countrymen in defense of their deplorable lack of proficiency in the use of the English language. Unfortunately, I do not feel I can. It seems as though many of my American counterparts on this site(with a few exceptions) do not possess these essential skills. I often come across posts that resemble something an eight year old child would write, likely the result of some educational barrier through which only some of us may pass. Even so, I is appalling that no American came to challenge your views on this subject. That is why I would like to bring something to everyone’s attention:

You misspelled Buddha’s name, you steroid-filled, egotistical, British ba###rd!


Damn, you try to be a smart ass and a few posts later someone brings your own grammar mistakes into the argument. I meant it is appalling, not I is appalling. Oh well.