Designer Cheating !!!

[Robin Hood]

Originally posted by Robbo
The answer lies in on-field chronographing.
Niall tells me that each judge will be issued with a hand held chronograph, he will also have a mandate to check at least one player in each game that he adjudicates.
This means, that if there are six judges on each field, then at least six players will be randomly tested in each game.
Any gun found to be hot will be removed from the game instantly.
Any gun that provokes suspicion with regard to designer cheating will then be checked over and if that player is found to be guilty then he will be banned instantly.
Frikkin good job is what I say !!!!!
Now Niall fully realises that he will come under an enormous amount of negative pressure from certain peoples / teams but he is resolute enough to stick to the job, so let's all hope he gets enough support.

Well, it's certainly a great start and we all know that there should be no need for anybody to create any negative feedback to this idea, as the only people who would need to are the cheaters themselves. We all need to fully support and moves like this as it's in the interest of all of us to comply and help things to run smoothly with any new schemes aimed to aid the progression of the game, particularly in safety aspects.

Originally posted by Robbo
I will have a bit more info regarding this after Friday, coz I got invited round Niall's house for a meal and to watch the first run of the Campaign Cup DVD, not that I really wanna see it coz I ain't in it but a lot of my mates are, so it should be fun.
It’s a tough life this paintball job of mine…..but somebody’s gotta do it !
Laters all
Robbo

Ahh some have the life don't they?!!
Just make sure you give us a rundown of any cool features when you get a chance - and if it's any good to begin with!!
If possible could you try to sqeeze out a definative release date too, cos I'm sure there'd be plenty of appreciative and very patient people who'd love to read that date to scribble it into their diary!

Later all

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by AJermstad
P.S. The link doesn't work Flash

Wierd - I just tried it and it didn't, then I tried it again and it did!


Gotta love Geocities! If I find anywhere else to put it I will, but untill then all I can say is try again!

Hopefully anyone who gives Niall any stick over this crackdown on cheating will get slapped with a wet kipper and be told to wake up and smell the coffee, hopefully when people start seeing their heroes being punished for infractions of the rules, they will start playing like paintballers, not children, and good behaviour (no cheating fighting etc) will become even more prevalent throughout the ranks.

Robbo: Pass on to Niall (and all others involved in the crackdown) the thanks of every fair-playing paintballer out there. All the hard work is appreciated, and stamping out ill-behaviour is a major step to becoming a respected sport, and improving the image of paintball.

 

[Tyger]

I read through the entire thread here, nd it seems to me that nobody said the obvious.

Robbo : This is not new news.

Every fashionable gun had it's own spike check in the velocity. Look at the cocker. Thumbing hte rod was a standard practice, then they made players use beavertails.

Now it's just a matter of the Angel and Shocker geting it's time on the hot seat. Years ago I heard of players theorising how to cheat it. Wearing a ring to complete a circut on the grip, doing all sorts of board modifications, all sorts of stuff like that.

The only true way to solve the problem is bad press. Print the names of the offenders, their picture, their team, and so on. I don't think a lot of these guys would be able to stand the heat of a spotlight like that.

-Tyger

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Tyger
I read through the entire thread here, nd it seems to me that nobody said the obvious.

Robbo : This is not new news.

Every fashionable gun had it's own spike check in the velocity. Look at the cocker. Thumbing hte rod was a standard practice, then they made players use beavertails.

Now it's just a matter of the Angel and Shocker geting it's time on the hot seat. Years ago I heard of players theorising how to cheat it. Wearing a ring to complete a circut on the grip, doing all sorts of board modifications, all sorts of stuff like that.

The only true way to solve the problem is bad press. Print the names of the offenders, their picture, their team, and so on. I don't think a lot of these guys would be able to stand the heat of a spotlight like that.

-Tyger

Tyger , I beg to differ, the point that was 'new news' (as you call it) was that particular teams are adopting this as a working policy, we all know that people (as individuals) will sometimes take the dark road but as a team ?
Tyger, come on, this is news !!
You just misinterpreted what I was highlighting !!
Regards
Pete

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

The fact remains...

That you still have to catch them! Now if we are talking about cheating using magnets and reed switches or whatever, the only way I can think of cathcing these people is stripping down the marker and identifying the set up (since the magnet in the glove is not difficult to get rid of). Perhaps random players' markers should be stripped at the end of a game and inspected (I don't know how easy such a set up is to identify).

The only other way I can think of (short of requiring a diamagnetic set of components) is to use aJermstad's marker chronny beaming info to a laptop (btw it could use USB download at the end of the game rather than streaming transfer as play occurs coz that would be a processing nightmare! And looking at rates of fire and how long they can be maintined. And should someone claim to be capable of such a rate of fire (i.e. 16 bps for 5 seconds say) then all you need to do is make him do it on the range with a marshal watching to check the pleyer is in fact pulling the trigger.

Sadly the fact remains that you woun't be able to fool all the cheats, even I can think of ways arround what I have just suggetsed!

Flashing sounds like a really good idea (but not THAT difficult to fool, I can think of a way round that too). You wouldn't even have to make the software public, you just need to suply an encripition algorithm and apply it to both the manufacturer' s one and then to each marker being flashed. So the original code would be unreadable (no dcription software need be suplied or even written!), and then the encripted code could be compared.

Its a sticky situation. Maybe we should ban elctros. Not a popular move, BUT it would get rid of all this cheating!

Richard

 

[TJ Lambini]

No it wouldn't

As has been said, RTs and Cockers can be made 'cheat' guns pretty succesfully...so could pretty much everything unfortunately.

I agree though, it's a sticky situation...I guess you gotta bring in life NPPL/Millennium bans for anyone caught, get a random marker checking policy going on and rely on fear.

Ain't no different to drug testing in the Olympics/Tour de France - hammer people hard enough and most of 'em will obey the rules thru fear of the consequences...just need to make sure the consequences are real tough as of now, rather than wait until you're in an almost irretrievable situation, like athletics and cycling did...

peace

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

Ok, sorry I didn't know that standard pneumatic markers could be made to cheat. i assume tht doesn't iclued fully auto. I know blowback markers can be made to fire fully auto, though the mess and obvious noise would make that relatively spotable (the sound of a deamon farting coupled with more broken paint than you can shake you marker, or a stick they are now about as much good as each other, at is a bit of a giveaway )

Are there not mechanical fixes to prevent cheating on a non electro? Like the beavertail on a cocker?

Just a thought

Richard

 

[TJ Lambini]

Yeh, there are fixes to most every problem

but the point is, I think, that there is now way in hell electros will - or should - be banned. What's important is, like you said, trying to find a way to catch tha cheats.

Where's Mr Hotpoint gone - he knows his techy stuff? Or Jack Wood or Ravi Chopper?

Oi, geeks - get outta the lab and onto tha board!

peace

 

[Village Lackey]

Didn't PGI have an article (blurb) in June/July 2001 about a well respected player accusing another team of having communication devices in their masks during a tourney. When this was proven wrong, (masks serched and nothing found) they went on to say that the opposition may have had implants or touch pads sewen into their jerseys.

My point here (and I could be wrong) is that in my opinion these rumours are being used to blame bad play and no one wants to take accountability for it. Or even give credit where credit is due for perhaps better play.

Lackey

 

[TJ Lambini]

That may well be tha truth of it

Although I suspect more likely to be a degree of truth to certain teams adopting a policy of 'creative cusomizing' their markers, as opposed to the Russians using their ex-KGB connections to fit deep ear implants...

Robo sez he got told tha designer cheating thing off of an informed source, but then tha guy who made the accusations against Russian Legion is a very intelligent, well-informed, leading member of the pball community...just goes to show that everyone can be real stoopid sometimes.

peace