X-Ball

[Hatts]

Originally posted by D6
Orginally posted by Hatts

On the flip side, the PA is a National League, there are no two ways of looking at that, and entry was open to everyone to take part. In all fairness if you're not taking part you can't really claim to be the best in the country can you? Anyone can say "oh we're way better than they are so we don't need to prove it"...but that does wear thin after a little while. After all, anyone can talk a good job...

...and I stand by that...I see a distinct difference between making a statement...

"Series "X" has the best teams in the country!"

and asking a question...

"In all fairness if you're not taking part you can't really claim to be the best in the country can you?"

Although it was intended tounge in cheek, I'll admit it was a slightly barbed comment, mostly because I get tired of hearing others claim who's the best at this, that and the other. I think Steve puts it across very well, way better than I could in fact.

 

[Buddha 3]

Bonjour le paintball

Originally posted by Hatts
Well seeing as my opinion matters so much to you I prefer the 7-man format, that's all.

I've watched X-ball and like everything else it has things going for it. I personally just don't get a kick out of it. Some people prefer football to cricket. I prefer 7-man to X ball. That's all there is to it really. Nothing mysterious or insidious about that is there?

I do realise and appreciate that some people prefer X-ball to 7-man and they're quite entitled to sing it's praises and I for one wouldn't dream of stopping them. I just think it's funny, and not a little sad, that whenever I happen to say how great I think the current 7-man format is that some people see it as an attack on X-ball.

I've never said anything against X-ball, ever. Neither the PA nor I have an agenda against X-ball and I'd really wish people would stop assuming ...and saying...that I have.

I love paintball. I live, breathe, sleep & eat paintball 24/7. If X-ball is the way forward and that's what everybody wants I'll give it my full support in the same way I support 7-man, scenario and rec-ball.

My initial response on this thread was to someone who asked if the PA could possibly organise something along the lines of X-ball. I've often said that if enough players in the UK ask the PA if we can hold an X-ball style event then we'll try and give them one. Not to "compete" against the EXL or thumb our noses at them but just to give those guys who maybe can't afford to or maybe don't have the skill level to play EXL against the likes of the Legion a chance to play that particular format.

Does that answer the question? I really hope so.

The reason I wanted you to elaborate is quite simple. From my endof the North Sea it seems you run a succesful league, therefore your opinion on a certain format and the reasons for having that opinion may actually be worth something, since as an event organiser, one would think you have at least thought these things over, rather than the typical "oi likes XBall, cos oi gets to sit inna stands an drink beer" response.

 

[Hatts]

Bonjour le paintball

Originally posted by Buddha 3
The reason I wanted you to elaborate is quite simple. From my endof the North Sea it seems you run a succesful league, therefore your opinion on a certain format and the reasons for having that opinion may actually be worth something, since as an event organiser, one would think you have at least thought these things over, rather than the typical "oi likes XBall, cos oi gets to sit inna stands an drink beer" response.

well thankyou, I appreciate that

 

[Robbo]

D6

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
The two comments are not mutually exclusive.

Unless all uk teams attend an event:

A - the winner of that event won't be proved to be the best team in the UK. (the first quote)

B - Equally nor can teams that haven't taken part can't claim to be the best. (the second quote)

However that doesn't mean the event winners are not the UK champions. (see my last post)

Steve, first off UK Champions, implies it is the best team does it not?
In this sense, the title is independent of the entrants.
I mean, anybody could 'call' any football tournament the UK Championships and unless Arsenal, Man U and the rest of the crew turn out, it means nothing.
Just because Man U, Arsenal and so on choose not to attend a tournament doesn't negate the fact these are still the best in the country and can legitimately call themselves that because the leagues they play in are what produces the best.

This problem arises because of the inappropriate designation of the tournament itself, it does not represent the best and therefore the championship title is meaningless ......except of course for those who actually chose to attend.
In this sense, it is the teams who choose to play the event who legitimise it and not the other way around.

 

[psyder]

Any football analogies are a waste of time it ain't football!!

If you see Paintball as having more of a tiered structure with the millenium series (EXL or whatever) as above the national leagues then I think UK Champions is fair enough.

Calling the championship title "meaningless" is a little harsh.

Any way back on topic I think a UK XBALL torni is a good idea but I think we need to walk before we can run in the UK.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by psyder
Any football analogies are a waste of time it ain't football!!

If you see Paintball as having more of a tiered structure with the millenium series (EXL or whatever) as above the national leagues then I think UK Champions is fair enough.

Calling the championship title "meaningless" is a little harsh.

Any way back on topic I think a UK XBALL torni is a good idea but I think we need to walk before we can run in the UK.

psyd, you are gettin involved in a discussion where a football analogy is wholly appropriate and if you can't see that mate, you need to take a back seat on this one.
I was talking about the title as being meaninglness in a definitive sense and therefore it wasn't harsh at all.

 

[Hatts]

Re: D6

Originally posted by Robbo
Steve, first off UK Champions, implies it is the best team does it not?
In this sense, the title is independent of the entrants.
I mean, anybody could 'call' any football tournament the UK Championships and unless Arsenal, Man U and the rest of the crew turn out, it means nothing.
Just because Man U, Arsenal and so on choose not to attend a tournament doesn't negate the fact these are still the best in the country and can legitimately call themselves that because the leagues they play in are what produces the best.

This problem arises because of the inappropriate designation of the tournament itself, it does not represent the best and therefore the championship title is meaningless ......except of course for those who actually chose to attend.
In this sense, it is the teams who choose to play the event who legitimise it and not the other way around.

Best teams in whose eyes tho Pete? If Man U suddenly decided to drop out of the FA would the FA suddenly stop being the national league? Of course it wouldn't. Man U would still be a great team but by what yard stick would you then measure them?

"Inappropriate designation"? Teams coming from all over the nation to compete against each other surely quaifies as fitting the description "national" in the same was as teams competeing from different countries qualifies the designation "international"

Surely by your definition the "world" championships can not be the world championships because every single team in the world doesn't play it?

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: D6

Originally posted by Hatts
Best teams in whose eyes tho Pete? If Man U suddenly decided to drop out of the FA would the FA suddenly stop being the national league? Of course it wouldn't. Man U would still be a great team but by what yard stick would you then measure them?

"Inappropriate designation"? Teams coming from all over the nation to compete against each other surely quaifies as fitting the description "national" in the same was as teams competeing from different countries qualifies the designation "international"

Surely by your definition the "world" championships can not be the world championships because every single team in the world doesn't play it?

I think you need to apply a little common sense here, and at the moment all i see are people trying to score cheap points.

Firstly, If Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and so on all dropped out of the FA Cup, it would of course still be called the FA Cup but would have lost its credibility.
Argue that point and you argue yourself into a corner of stupidity.

The measuring stick for teams such as Man U and the likes is the football league.
By introducing the notion of them (Man U) not entering the Cup and then searching for a yardstick is ridiculous, if my aunt had balls she would be me uncle !!!

As for designation, I tell ya summink, there are at present many world Boxing federations, WBA WBC and so on.
Common sense and experience tells me that when I hear call themselves the WBF champion, I know that if he were to go anywhere near the WBC champion, he gonna get his ass kicked, how do I know this?
Coz I know me boxing and I know me paintball, common sense and experience being the guiding lights here.
Now you can call what yerself like, you can have teams coming from Timbuktu for all I care, but it means nothing unless you have the recognized teams as entrants.


And Jeeez, if you think World Championships means every frikkin team in the world has to compete to legitimize it, then you really do need to take some common sense pills here, I am not saying that at all as you well know.

Look toward the NPPL and NXL for the rankings, this is where it's at, if you wanna take issue with that, then you are a fool.

 

[John C]

The point is no one is going to be the best in the country just by playing the PA league.

In contrast the best football teams in the UK get to be the best by playing the Premiership as that is where the best teams are.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by John C
The point is no one is going to be the best in the country just by playing the PA league.

In contrast the best football teams in the UK get to be the best by playing the Premiership as that is where the best teams are.

At last.... a beacon of reason that shines so bright.......I feel like Willy Wonka at the end of his film when the kid, Charlie gives back the everlasting sweet that Slugwort wanted