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Stongle
It comes down to this, you may call it a subjective difference, I would probably call it something else
If you wanna call yerself National Champion, fine, but by so doing, you immediately imply you are the best in that field in that country.
Clarification only comes with qualification !!
I mean, if I said i was the National Boxing Champion, I would have to qualify that by also saying, heavyweight, over 50 and so on and only by adding on those extra bits would we get closer to the truth of the matter which in effect is, I ain't no Natoinal Boxing champion at all but you get my point I hope
It is taken for granted that if you call yourself National Champion of anything then you are the best unless....... you begin to qualify and thereby limit your championship credentials.
National Champion implies by its very construction of Champion allied with Nation, that you are the best in the country, that is just not so with the PA, you have to qualify it by saying, well the best teams weren't even there and so on.
Oops just noticed this Steve, sorry, here goes:-
It comes down to this, you may call it a subjective difference, I would probably call it something else
If you wanna call yerself National Champion, fine, but by so doing, you immediately imply you are the best in that field in that country.
Clarification only comes with qualification !!
I mean, if I said i was the National Boxing Champion, I would have to qualify that by also saying, heavyweight, over 50 and so on and only by adding on those extra bits would we get closer to the truth of the matter which in effect is, I ain't no Natoinal Boxing champion at all but you get my point I hope
It is taken for granted that if you call yourself National Champion of anything then you are the best unless....... you begin to qualify and thereby limit your championship credentials.
National Champion implies by its very construction of Champion allied with Nation, that you are the best in the country, that is just not so with the PA, you have to qualify it by saying, well the best teams weren't even there and so on.
Would, "The best team, that competed at a national level?" be sufficient qualification. As far as i know nexus shock and tigers only play the occasional event in the uk (correct me if i'm wrong, i've not looked in to it throughly)
John - as i have said, the analogy only works in certain areas of comparison. Qualification for the different levels and a feeder system is not in place in paintball so there is comparison in this area, but thats not to say it can't be usful in other areas such as comparing teams alocation of their resourses, or determining titles in the different sports.
John - as i have said, the analogy only works in certain areas of comparison. Qualification for the different levels and a feeder system is not in place in paintball so there is comparison in this area, but thats not to say it can't be usful in other areas such as comparing teams alocation of their resourses, or determining titles in the different sports.
Come on Steve, you know I ain't gonna allow you to get away with that one
To be called a 'national', it has to have pedigree if it is to be taken seriously.
Arbitrarily callin yerself 'national' ain't gonna cut no ice in the real world of competition.
Such is the nature of paintball at the moment that teams can only gain credible national perspective by playing international tournaments, ironic I know but nevertheless true.
So if you wanna get a true persepctive as to when we last all played together in a 7 man in the UK, then that was the Campaign Cup where we came 4th and the Tigers came 17th or 18th.
But that I don't think gives a true persepctive anyway, for that you would have to look at the world rankings.
Why cant someone arrange an annual national UK championship (over 3 days) to decide who should have the title of best UK team.
This would settle any arguments as any team who doesn't play forfeits their chance to call themselves the best in the uk by their very absence. Obviously, this would have to be arranged around the european calendar so that all uk teams can compete. I, and the rest of the Uk paintballing community would love to see who is the best out on the fields.
This would settle any arguments as any team who doesn't play forfeits their chance to call themselves the best in the uk by their very absence. Obviously, this would have to be arranged around the european calendar so that all uk teams can compete. I, and the rest of the Uk paintballing community would love to see who is the best out on the fields.
Peachie,
To the really good (i.e. Factory sponsored teams), being the UK's best is irrelevent. It means nadda. Why allocate or re-direct resources away from training and playing to win meaningless (especially to your sponsors) tournaments. The top teams need to be winning Millenniums, EXL, NPPL etc.
You might wanna know who the best in the UK is. Do you think Dye or SP do?
With the Americans turning their backs more and more on Europe, don't you start to wonder why??? Lack of Competition lack of winnings maybe........
Steve,
your clutching at straws mate.
The winners of MPAL are simply the best team in the MPAL.
If the PA Vision or Prophecy is fulfilled, you may well yet lay claim to producing the best in the UK, in time. The "Vision" as has been explained to me, it's to build up support for Paintball at a grass roots level by local association. Hopefully this will breed support and popularity at a Novice level, that will eventually lead more people to aspire to get better (I think in the long-term producing better players and teams). The route to this path of enlightenment is varied of course, the PA represents one such vision. However to claim after the first year to produce the "Best in the UK" / National Champion (with caveats) opens you up to some criticism. It may also seem a little like hype and propaganda for hype and propaganda's sake (especially on PGIs bought and paid for site). I mean for a free resource this generates a whole shed load of debate and publicity for a lot of tournament series, and the UK scene must be the cause of much mirth amongst our more illustrious American Cousins. When people such as Robbo have effectively achieved competitive success both here and abroad they and others may well question / debate claims of whose No.1. For that matter anyone should be free to question a Tournament Promoter, cos in reality we are all paying customers.
People are free to subscribe to whatever vision of Paintball they see fit, the PA is obviously popular amongst a great many people, just don't expect everyone to see it that way.
Same as X-Ball, some people who've played it prefer 7 man, some who've played X absolutely love it. To say you prefer one or the other without trying both is a little presumptuous. I'd love to see X Ball get a foothold in the UK. It has tactical elements and planning far superior to 7 Man. The games are generally quicker, more exciting and force teams to play multiple strategies. This is without mentioning an additional bloodlust which is always a crowd pleaser. For an activity with no central focus, and complex rules, X Ball is the evolution of the game. The problem is a lot of people fear change. They clutch at arguments such as cost (paint consumption), fitness (X Ball isn't a game for the unfit) and without even trying the game, choose to say 7 man is Superior. You can't say something is not as good if you've only looked from afar. X Ball's like a Chicken Madras, on looks alone some people won't try it. Try it, and I'll guarantee you'd probably love it.
(small attempt to steer thread back on course)
To the really good (i.e. Factory sponsored teams), being the UK's best is irrelevent. It means nadda. Why allocate or re-direct resources away from training and playing to win meaningless (especially to your sponsors) tournaments. The top teams need to be winning Millenniums, EXL, NPPL etc.
You might wanna know who the best in the UK is. Do you think Dye or SP do?
With the Americans turning their backs more and more on Europe, don't you start to wonder why??? Lack of Competition lack of winnings maybe........
Steve,
your clutching at straws mate.
The winners of MPAL are simply the best team in the MPAL.
If the PA Vision or Prophecy is fulfilled, you may well yet lay claim to producing the best in the UK, in time. The "Vision" as has been explained to me, it's to build up support for Paintball at a grass roots level by local association. Hopefully this will breed support and popularity at a Novice level, that will eventually lead more people to aspire to get better (I think in the long-term producing better players and teams). The route to this path of enlightenment is varied of course, the PA represents one such vision. However to claim after the first year to produce the "Best in the UK" / National Champion (with caveats) opens you up to some criticism. It may also seem a little like hype and propaganda for hype and propaganda's sake (especially on PGIs bought and paid for site). I mean for a free resource this generates a whole shed load of debate and publicity for a lot of tournament series, and the UK scene must be the cause of much mirth amongst our more illustrious American Cousins. When people such as Robbo have effectively achieved competitive success both here and abroad they and others may well question / debate claims of whose No.1. For that matter anyone should be free to question a Tournament Promoter, cos in reality we are all paying customers.
People are free to subscribe to whatever vision of Paintball they see fit, the PA is obviously popular amongst a great many people, just don't expect everyone to see it that way.
Same as X-Ball, some people who've played it prefer 7 man, some who've played X absolutely love it. To say you prefer one or the other without trying both is a little presumptuous. I'd love to see X Ball get a foothold in the UK. It has tactical elements and planning far superior to 7 Man. The games are generally quicker, more exciting and force teams to play multiple strategies. This is without mentioning an additional bloodlust which is always a crowd pleaser. For an activity with no central focus, and complex rules, X Ball is the evolution of the game. The problem is a lot of people fear change. They clutch at arguments such as cost (paint consumption), fitness (X Ball isn't a game for the unfit) and without even trying the game, choose to say 7 man is Superior. You can't say something is not as good if you've only looked from afar. X Ball's like a Chicken Madras, on looks alone some people won't try it. Try it, and I'll guarantee you'd probably love it.
(small attempt to steer thread back on course)
If that were entirely true why are nexus and shockwave playing next D7(meaningless tournament). If they can field teams here then why couldn't they field a team for a national championship? I can see that winning a national championship would offer very little to big sponsors but wouldn't the players of the factory sponsored teams like to say that they are at least the best in the UK and be able to prove it.
Peachie, in the scheme of things, callin yerself UK champ ain't gonna mean jack mate.
The game is centred in the US and as such only those tournaments really count unless it is a Millennium where American teams turn up.
It's the way things are, the best are over there and as such, if you wanna be classified with them, you have to put in the miles and dedication to go contest with them.
