X-Ball

[Buddha 3]

Oi Hatts!

I'll ask again, what are your personal objections to XBall?
My question was not an attack, just honest curiosity. The whole point of my post was to find out more, so please elaborate on why you doubt XBall is 'tha ****'.

 

[Hatts]

Well seeing as my opinion matters so much to you I prefer the 7-man format, that's all.

I've watched X-ball and like everything else it has things going for it. I personally just don't get a kick out of it. Some people prefer football to cricket. I prefer 7-man to X ball. That's all there is to it really. Nothing mysterious or insidious about that is there?

I do realise and appreciate that some people prefer X-ball to 7-man and they're quite entitled to sing it's praises and I for one wouldn't dream of stopping them. I just think it's funny, and not a little sad, that whenever I happen to say how great I think the current 7-man format is that some people see it as an attack on X-ball.

I've never said anything against X-ball, ever. Neither the PA nor I have an agenda against X-ball and I'd really wish people would stop assuming ...and saying...that I have.

I love paintball. I live, breathe, sleep & eat paintball 24/7. If X-ball is the way forward and that's what everybody wants I'll give it my full support in the same way I support 7-man, scenario and rec-ball.

My initial response on this thread was to someone who asked if the PA could possibly organise something along the lines of X-ball. I've often said that if enough players in the UK ask the PA if we can hold an X-ball style event then we'll try and give them one. Not to "compete" against the EXL or thumb our noses at them but just to give those guys who maybe can't afford to or maybe don't have the skill level to play EXL against the likes of the Legion a chance to play that particular format.

Does that answer the question? I really hope so.

 

[Hatts]

Originally posted by Robbo
Hatts, I take it you are still desperately searching for those multitude of examples of me 'slating' you or your vision at EVERY opportunity....well let me save you some time here...I haven't done.

So, what can we deduce from this?
Basically, you lied at my expense for the sake of yet another one of your self-propagandas on our site.

And I will add one more thing, you may well act all blasé about ostracising yourself from the international paintball community (re your last post) but you see no problem whatsoever in promoting yourself, your mag, your tournaments and God knows what else on Paintball Games International web site at every opportunity.

Actually Pete I wasn't referring to you and I can only offer my apologies if you took it that way. I guess I'm not the only one who takes things personally

To be honest tho, it does only take a brief glance through the forums to pick up on any number of posts where people have openly attacked either the PA or myself (hell just look in the same thread) which is why I felt a little aggreived at what I considered a "sarcastic" and undeserved comment from yourself as I thought you understood what it was we're trying to do.

I still can't seem to get people to understand that ALL I'm trying to do is promote UK paintball as a sport and raise awareness of it to those who don't already play or haven't even heard of it...and there's a lot of them.

The PA is a tool to try and educate the masses about the sport of paintball and at the same time give those players who can't afford to go play in the States or mainland Europe the opportunity to play the hardest 'ball they can and enjoy doing it. Not everyone can attain the skill levels requiree to play for Nexus but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be given the opportunity to play the best that they can. Surely that's the spirit of competition?

I noted your post on the Tigers v's Nexus bollox, and I am well aware that Nexus is a marketing tool and a damn good one. My point is simply that who exactly are Nexus marketing too? The PA is a marketing tool for paintball generally and is designed to try and increase the number of people taking up the sport.

I would have thought that by default you would be in favour of something which potentially increases the size of your market? Perhaps I'm wrong.

Best Regards
Hatts

Edit:

So, what can we deduce from this? Basically, you lied at my expense for the sake of yet another one of your self-propagandas on our site.

I don't believe that I "lied" at anyone's expense, least of all yours Pete. As for "self propaganda" isn't that what we all do when marketing ourselves or selling our product? Every other UK tournament organiser and lot of teams promotes themselves here. Is there some objection to me doing the same?

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And I will add one more thing, you may well act all blasé about ostracising yourself from the international paintball community (re your last post) but you see no problem whatsoever in promoting yourself, your mag, your tournaments and God knows what else on Paintball Games International web site at every opportunity.

I thought the idea of a forum like this was for exactly that...if you have any objection to me using the forum to let people know what the PA doing just say so and I'll stop using it. By the same token the PA forum is open to everyone. It's smply another information service.

Why oh why does everyone assume I have some secret hidden agenda against PGI, X-ball and god knows what else? If we're talking "lies" the sheer amount of absolute crap that I have been credited with saying is almost beyond plausability.

I have never slated PGI, I have never claimed that the PA has the "best" teams in the country, I have never slated any other tournament series or organiser, I have never attacked X-ball or any team I can think of...

So why the big deal every time I say "X" is good there's a torrent or posts that interpest it as me saying that "Y" therefore is a load of crap?

 

[rancid]

You know Hatts, the bigger the gun slinger the more ferocious the challenges . It's par for the course.... ask Robbo, he's on a 100 pops a day. I think you need to harden up a bit on this score... at least you're being noticed!

You know, sometimes it galls me that a few people profiteer from this site... i think there was one this morning, just a blatant ad.... it really narks, and I think sometimes one feels, well, you know, a modest contribution towards costs every now and again wouldn't go amiss.

It's ridiculous isn't it... sometimes we feel like the little red hen: no one will help bake the cake, but there's a queue to eat it.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Chris

How is the Motorola PA National League not the national league? If there was another league making this claim then it would be disputed, but there is not. Yes it might be at a lower level than international events, but that is the nature of a national league.

If you want a football analogy, think of it as the FA. Yes the champions league may be a higher level. But the winner of the champions league (if British) might not even be the winner of the FA. Does that mean the FA winner is not the national champion?

You might mention that, unlike football, teams competing at a top European level aren't competing at a national level. If the (British) winner of the champions league hadn't bothered to enter the FA would that mean that the FA winners weren't the national champions? That is a very unlikely situation I admit but it is comparable to a team not prioritising the national league and fielding their 2nd line players to rest the best for euro games. This has been known, and may have contributed to not winning the FA.

If we start talking about the best team that is a different matter.

But to me the bottom line, regardless of politics, is: Its aim is to promote paintball, it appears to be succeeding.

 

[Robbo]

OK Hatts, many thanks for eventually answering.

I am glad you now acknowledge that I have not in any way slated your vision or you at every opportunity.

When I post on these boards, I use sarcasm a lot, as well as irony, hopefully some humour and so on.
I have many friends on here who I have used each and every one of those on, Duffy for one, when I opened up with people who have 'Ivory towered ideals...' is just a recent example of such sarcasm.
He did not react the same way as you I hasten to add.

As for whom Nexus are directed at in marketing terms?

Firstly, PGI spend an enormous amount of hard earned money in investing in distribution across the US and the ROW.
We have newsstand distribution in several different countries now and as such, Nexus have recently been asked to (and been to) South Africa, Malaysia, Australia, Germany, France, Denmark and the US to give seminars.
PGI is nurturing the paintball market across five frikkin continents and Nexus is a tool in that marketing strategy, obviously not its primary tool but nevertheless a significant one.
Now if you wish to limit your vision to the UK, cool, well done mate and the best of luck to ya but if by martyring yourself at what seems every opportunity on these boards every time somebody has a little pop at you, and you think you will elicit sympathy or support, then you need to think outside the box for a second or two.

You mentioned you had doubts about XBall, I, as I would with anybody else on here, made a sarcastic remark because you had not identified those doubts and just left it at that…it was though you thought all you had to do was disapprove and the point was made…well it weren’t.
I mean, if you are gonna go criticize Richmond on here, which in effect you were doing, then you need to at least flesh that criticism out.

Contrary to what you might think, I have absolutely nothing against you or your tournament or anything you do, we work on different scales mate and in different areas, so good luck to you and your enterprises, each and every one of them but I’m afraid having sarcasm leveled against you is one of the hazards we all face when we post on these boards.
I’m off on me hols tomorrow morning, all I need now is a going away pressie from Ronnie Hollington and I will truly look forward to my two weeks in La La Land ....................or was it Majorca
Peace

 

[D6]

Please tell me to shut up if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Hatts


I have never claimed that the PA has the "best" teams in the country,

Orginally posted by Hatts

On the flip side, the PA is a National League, there are no two ways of looking at that, and entry was open to everyone to take part. In all fairness if you're not taking part you can't really claim to be the best in the country can you? Anyone can say "oh we're way better than they are so we don't need to prove it"...but that does wear thin after a little while. After all, anyone can talk a good job...

 

[psyder]

Why not try a "mini" X-ball tournament say 10 minute halfs? more accessable get a taste etc but not so expensive.

 

[Steve Hancock]

D6

The two comments are not mutually exclusive.

Unless all uk teams attend an event:

A - the winner of that event won't be proved to be the best team in the UK. (the first quote)

B - Equally nor can teams that haven't taken part can't claim to be the best. (the second quote)

However that doesn't mean the event winners are not the UK champions. (see my last post)

 

[D6]

D6

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
The two comments are not mutually exclusive.

Unless all uk teams attend an event:

A - the winner of that event won't be proved to be the best team in the UK. (the first quote)

B - Equally nor can teams that haven't taken part can't claim to be the best. (the second quote)

However that doesn't mean the event winners are not the UK champions. (see my last post)

It's alright Steve- you don't have to edit your post to make sure I know it's addressed to me. As you've proved me so wrong, I'll shut up...