What Happens To Euro Paintball If....
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How much of an appetite do you really think there is for people to watch overgrown boys play with toy guns? and Faceless Euro players at that? Christ if some people had their way, only choirboys and nuns would play. We've decreased the playing margins so far and introduced skill sets that although beneficial to playing the game make for less spectacular eliminations, hence more boring to watch (even though the skill set is critical to win). It doesn't look extreme like other X Sports, nor is it a game ingrained in peoples formative years. What exactly are we giving the viewing public?
TV may be good for introducing revenue, but I think it's more a vanity mission for some. That in my humble opinion is why no one can get Tournament to work on TV.
The reason the games not televised is it's a participation game. It's like when Atari first come out watching your friend play Pac Man or Breakout, but not getting ago yourself. Exciting when it first comes out the box, then boring after like 15 seconds watching someone else play.
How much of an appetite do you really think there is for people to watch overgrown boys play with toy guns? and Faceless Euro players at that? Christ if some people had their way, only choirboys and nuns would play. We've decreased the playing margins so far and introduced skill sets that although beneficial to playing the game make for less spectacular eliminations, hence more boring to watch (even though the skill set is critical to win). It doesn't look extreme like other X Sports, nor is it a game ingrained in peoples formative years. What exactly are we giving the viewing public?
TV may be good for introducing revenue, but I think it's more a vanity mission for some. That in my humble opinion is why no one can get Tournament to work on TV.
The whole euro Tv angle is bull in my opinion, if tournament style paintball was ever considered seriously as a tv show in the Uk, I think it'd be heavily taken over by the producers and the interests of players completely ignored. It'd get turned into some kind of Gladiators game show, not a super league for teams to aspire to. For TV paintball to actually get off the ground its gonna have to get big in the USA first, simple as! As robbo has said on here, more times than ive had hot dinners, demographically the baller population in the US makes ours look microscopic-then factor in the historic 'gun culture' in the US and you have a niche audience and thus some potential for a serious tv league to get off the ground.
First however, you have to impress serious producers and the NXL can't even organise a decent website- the women's canadian hockey league no doubt has more promotional muscle!! You only have to look at the contrast in promotion between PP/NPPL and NXL events to see what I mean.
The only thing imo, in the long-term, that can save euro ball is pball hitting big in the US, then coming to our screens and causing lots of growth in player base. Obviously by that time we'd be way behind....the only thing we can do for the time being to keep up is develope as much as possible at euro events, and muster all support possible to go and compete in the US like Nexus et al. TV and xball will not save euroball from falling behind!
First however, you have to impress serious producers and the NXL can't even organise a decent website- the women's canadian hockey league no doubt has more promotional muscle!! You only have to look at the contrast in promotion between PP/NPPL and NXL events to see what I mean.
The only thing imo, in the long-term, that can save euro ball is pball hitting big in the US, then coming to our screens and causing lots of growth in player base. Obviously by that time we'd be way behind....the only thing we can do for the time being to keep up is develope as much as possible at euro events, and muster all support possible to go and compete in the US like Nexus et al. TV and xball will not save euroball from falling behind!
I'd say a sky crew going and filming a leg of the MPANL counts as it been considered seriously as a TV show. What they do with the footage remains to be seen but you all seem to be overlooking the steps forward the 7-man format of the PA has been making towards "tv land".
Just my opinion...flame me for it if you will
-EDD
No need to flame at all, but paintball has been on TV many times before in the UK.Originally posted by Edd Hobday
I'd say a sky crew going and filming a leg of the MPANL counts as it been considered seriously as a TV show. What they do with the footage remains to be seen but you all seem to be overlooking the steps forward the 7-man format of the PA has been making towards "tv land".
Just my opinion...flame me for it if you will
-EDD
What Matski and the rest of us are referring to is a coherent and serious TV package and one that has income streams aligned to it.
The televising of the PA league is not serious at all no matter what you are told or hear.
Ledz from my team Nexus was involved in a scenario type paintball programme shown on Sky many times, was this serious? Nah, no way.
We ain't gonna do it with the bottom up approach and we ain't gonna do it in this counrty.
As Matski rightly comments, it has to come from the States, any other approach is doomed to failure (unless the European demographic changes dramatically) no matter what spin people put on things.
Nick, are you saying TV will help paintball in europe or just generally? You didn't mention europe once in your post but I presume that's what you mean. Either way,...
The whole point is that for the european paintball demographic to improve significantly, major european channels would HAVE to educate millions as to what tournament ball is all about. Some half beat show on some half beat extreme channel is like throwing a jelly bean at godzilla, the improvement will be insignificant. The major networks operate in an oligopoly, they only care about their main few competitors, they do not give a damn what some extreme sports channel is showing, they concentrate on the millions in revenues and costs from major league sports licenses and what their main competitors (the other major channels) are buying up e.g football events. Therefore, airing on 'nobody' channels is not the foot in the door you percieve- it will reach a very small segment and find it difficult to grow from there, if survive. The major channels will not sit up and seek to invest themselves as they simply have bigger fish to fry. For pball to become a true full blown spectator sport-for significant growth to happen, it has to start in the US on a major channel! I believe PP/NPPL have the best shot at achieving this eventually- If they keep doing what their doing, they may well catch the eye of a producer willing to risk his job for the potential gain to himself/the network of being the 1st to pilot an 'exciting new sport'..........but then we come full circle to none of this helping EUROPEAN paintball keep up with the pace- unless teams can develop enough to justify the backing to get over the pond like sergie and mr R!...
The whole point is that for the european paintball demographic to improve significantly, major european channels would HAVE to educate millions as to what tournament ball is all about. Some half beat show on some half beat extreme channel is like throwing a jelly bean at godzilla, the improvement will be insignificant. The major networks operate in an oligopoly, they only care about their main few competitors, they do not give a damn what some extreme sports channel is showing, they concentrate on the millions in revenues and costs from major league sports licenses and what their main competitors (the other major channels) are buying up e.g football events. Therefore, airing on 'nobody' channels is not the foot in the door you percieve- it will reach a very small segment and find it difficult to grow from there, if survive. The major channels will not sit up and seek to invest themselves as they simply have bigger fish to fry. For pball to become a true full blown spectator sport-for significant growth to happen, it has to start in the US on a major channel! I believe PP/NPPL have the best shot at achieving this eventually- If they keep doing what their doing, they may well catch the eye of a producer willing to risk his job for the potential gain to himself/the network of being the 1st to pilot an 'exciting new sport'..........but then we come full circle to none of this helping EUROPEAN paintball keep up with the pace- unless teams can develop enough to justify the backing to get over the pond like sergie and mr R!...