What Happens To Euro Paintball If....

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Mario

You may well have miss-directed your hammer and missed the head of the nail by a long margin there fella

What league has recently gone through MAJOR turmoil and had to let its team play the other league format?

The yanks are still ahead but not doing X-Ball, I suspect, will not lead Euros to fall further behind but actually to be playing the right format to catch up!

After all, they ALL want to play 7's at the moment do they not?

Maybe the teams that have kept their feet in both camps will be better served!!

 

[Robbo]

Duncster : Have no fears mate, I won't be joining the mortals just yet, I can see Denver just fine from here on Mt Olympus thanks

Mark : The way I see it is this, the promoters need to be financially supported if they are to continue putting on EXL events next year, either that, or they need to be convinced of an income stream that is both substantial and soon in coming.
Teams have also to be convinced if they are to invest in XBall for 2005, because make no bones about it, XBall for teams, requires investment.
You might be able to put on an EXL and even populate it (without say, Ton Tons, Nexus, Joy, Shock and RL) but it will be a shadow of what it should be and wouldn't necessarily last.
Lots of Euro teams love the 'idea' of playing but as is evident from divisional XBall in Europe, they like the idea but not many can stay the course.

That all said, Richmond might come up with the goods and if he does, you will see the big hitting Euro ProBallers reconsider their singular focus on the NPPL and perhaps once again run in both camps for a trial period.

For the moment, the NPPL holds most of the aces and as such, teams who can afford it will elect to play in that game rather than chance a high investment, high risk commitment in XBall for 2005.


However, I will predict this much, things do look bleak for Euro paintball having lost some of its top teams and the prospect of an extremely limited Yank contingent coming over but......if you think about it, how long do you think it would be before the powers that be in NPPL land, or should I say, Pure Promotion's land, begin to look back towards Europe as an extension of the NPPL tourney circuit with a view to creating a truly world circuit?

Now, what form that embrace might take can be anybody's guess but it would make sense to me, after all, it weren't that long ago Sergey, Ged, Myself, Niall, Laurent and a couple of others all sat round a table talking about just this....seems funny really when a similar meeting took place in Orlando before the one just mentioned with Sergey, myself, Laurent and Richmond.
A world order is coming that's for sure but what format, what series, what teams, what the fcuk !!!!!!!!

Although 2005 might not be a good year for Euro paintball in terms of developing pro paintball whilst playing in Europe, I think 2006 will be a much better year if 2005 goes extremely well for the NPPL in the US, which I have no doubt it will.

 

[Mario]

Originally posted by Mark Toye-Nexus
Mario

You may well have miss-directed your hammer and missed the head of the nail by a long margin there fella

What league has recently gone through MAJOR turmoil and had to let its team play the other league format?

The yanks are still ahead but not doing X-Ball, I suspect, will not lead Euros to fall further behind but actually to be playing the right format to catch up!

After all, they ALL want to play 7's at the moment do they not?

Maybe the teams that have kept their feet in both camps will be better served!!

sorry mate - i meant euroball in general. If the big pro teams, RL, Joy, yourselves, decide that it's just not worth playing in europe then european teams will not raise the bar up to go compete abroad (i.e the US). They will be 'happy' playing in domestic leagues....

however i am usually wrong

*edit* i completely missinterpreted your point and having re - read it i'd say that i am actually a twat your right saying that it would better serve euro teams to see the end of x-ball because it then levels the playing field....

 

[KEN@AFGM]

Ummmm.

Corrct me if i'm wrong but surely with the death of X ball we'd get more Amercian teams coming over to Europe than less?
To me as an amateur player if the top euro teams go to the states next year it doesn't affect me in the slightest. Everyone's locked to EXL at the moment. If the NXL/ EXL Dies a death then i'm going to see more American teams over here (more budget to play with) and all the euro's going over there which is no loss cus they play a closed league anyway.
Teams like Avalanche, Dynasty, XSV etc will still play millennium as well as the exclusive Nppl league.
To the Euro paintballer (amateur and below) i don't see us being hughly affected.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
However, I will predict this much, things do look bleak for Euro paintball having lost some of its top teams and the prospect of an extremely limited Yank contingent coming over but......if you think about it, how long do you think it would be before the powers that be in NPPL land, or should I say, Pure Promotion's land, begin to look back towards Europe as an extension of the NPPL tourney circuit with a view to creating a truly world circuit?

Okay, for the sake of being argumentative--and I'm nothing if not disagreeable why does PP pushing forward to engulf Euroland necessarily follow?
The conventional wisdom states PP/NPPL (however you want to slice it) is in perpetual red ink despite having plateaued this season maxxing out event entries at 162 with a load of new sponsors (heck, Intheno is on here all the time practically begging alms for the poor) but that this state is semi-acceptable over the short haul if it leads to market domination and TV with TV being the key.
Wouldn't it follow then that in coming to Euroland either a different model is required which wouldn't necessarily offer anything the Mil doesn't already do or that the basis is predicated on TV too, like the U.S.? Yet it seems we've been told over and over the Euromarket's TV situation isn't as viable for PB.
So what's changed?

 

[manike]

Really sorry to hear that Pete.

If the Nexites need a cheap way to keep in touch they can use my cell phone (or if you want to find out what is happening but not hassle them when they are playing you can call me). I should also have my laptop hooked up at the Empire Trailer if all goes to plan.

I'm not playing this event but will be enjoying the party and supporting the Euro's.

As for European paintball? Is there still such a thing? With Euro and USA teams now competing on a more global level and travelling back and forth does it matter? All/most of the Euro talent is playing in the USA and we may lose the RL to the NXL.

Euro teams can play almost as cheaply (yes Holiday is an issue) in the USA as they can in Europe. And many USA teams work like crazy to attend Euro events.

Next thing you know we will have a 'Wide World' circuit with a leg in Australia... I can wish.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Kenny

You miss the point

NXL will probably be safe - its EXL that is looking shaky

If EXL goes then it will be mainly because the top teams have bailed for stateside paintball - this then means that they wont play much euroball.

Yes some US teams will travel but not many and only for one or two events (Dynasty apart maybe). They will still have to do all NPPL (as will the euros) to secure their place in the next years NPPL. They can get ranking points in europe of course and may wish to take that option, but it does cost big bucks so we go back to teh odd trip scenario.

But you are right that it wont affect you but the point of the thread is really about what is going to happen at the top as it is there that the players are going to be missing (or not as you see it).

The Ams and novices dont do whole NPPL seasons, and few even do the whole Millennium season.

But one way you might be affected is when the budgets of the promoters fall because the teams arent attracted to the event because the big names are missing. This years Toulouse was strange beyond belief - it was a relatively small number of teams across the board - not just Pros!!

 

[Booya39]

A couple of you are talking like RL is going to or already has left the EXL. Is this the case because I haven't heard a word about them joining the NXL and I didn't see them on the team list for Denver?

 

[Red_Merkin]

Personally, (flame on if you feel the need to) i feel the EXL teams should be supporting thier league. I'm hearing rumors of plans to fled understrenghted squads Campaign cup because the 'A' team is going to be in Vegas... frankly this bothers me.

The League will succeed or fail baised on what the teams want to do with it. Why bother with the NPPL if you have your own exclusive league right here?

What difference does it make if your team dosn't play Pro in the NPPL? Play Div 1 X-ball in the PSP instead.

The thing that bothers me about this is that i believe that X-ball is a far superior game to 7 man, and i'm a bit biased in wanting to see the EXL succeed because i want to see a strong x-ball league develop in Europe. We can argue about which format is superior on another thread if anyone feels the need.

Maybe we're destined to lose the highest profile teams in Europe to the NPPL, maybe we need to look for replacement teams in the EXL... who knows!

I for one don't want to see the EXL go, and i hope the teams can find a way to navigate both the NPPL and the EXL.

RL to play in the NXL next year? Is this rumor, speculation, has a statement been made?

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

RL to NXL is rumour - but its been doing the rounds for a while now

As for supporting your own league - what just for the heck of it???

I think it needs funding, these teams are ploughing bucks in to take big squads to the events.

Other than that - if I were still playing I think I would rather go play Avalanche, Dynasty, Infamous, XSV, Arsenal, Naughty Dogs, and the newly released NXL teams in the traditional format.

Just my opinion, and I think X-Ball is great but it is simply out of reach of most teams financialy at the moment.