Ton Tons @ CC

[Oli HPG]

Originally posted by Robbo
In this situation with the Ton Tons where the judges are seemingly powerless to act due to various reasons, none of which are their own fault, I am considering another option.

I honestly don't think I want my guys playing them again for various reasons, the Ton Tons in my opinion have and use designer cheat guns that not only have the ability to fire over 15 bps but also more alarmingly, and more dangerously, fire above 300 fps.
I don't want my guys put in danger, I don't wanna be put in a position where my control of temper is tested again and I don't wanna be cheated out of a finals place again, I am sick and tired of this cheating scum.
I am seriously thinking of refusing to play them again no matter what stage of any future event I meet them.
I will have to consider it some more because this stance could cost me and my guys dear but something has to be done and I will not watch my Nexus guys being physically hurt and cheated out of their just results again.

If a few other teams wanna take the same stance as me, then it makes my position that much easier and more poignant for obvious reasons, but if I decide to do it and I am out there on my own, then I will do it but I don't think that is gonna be the case.

This team has to be bought to its knees coz sure as ****, the judges can't do it, the rulebook as it stands is unenforceable and all this does is allow cheating-ass mofos to flourish.

How the hell do I turn round to my guys on the Monday morning after they are sitting in fifth place and the Ton Tons are in the finals and tell them to practice, practice, practice when it's all undone by a frikkin chip in some scum's marker?
Where the frikkin hell is the justice in that ?
Where the hell do my guys now get their motivation, from a piece of programming ?
If that happens, see ya later alligator !!!!

This is madness, it undermines my guys resolve to commit and dedicate themselves to this sport when this sh!t happens in our own back yard with all the judges and spectators looking on.

I watched my guys come off the field after playing them, I watched the Tigers come off the field after they had played against them, I could see it in both team's faces, everybody knew what had gone down and yet felt powerless.
No more !!!!!

We had some "funny" calls this weekend too, but nothing as bad as what has been done to Nexus.

Yes, it is so hard to keep your team motivated after they have been cheated out of a win. But I don't think that any of your guys or the Tigers will be put off by what happened.

Not one person that has been at the event sees the TonTons as winners. What have the won?! More negative feelings from their fellow paintballers. Would you be happy to move through the ranks knowing that not skill has won you the position you are in but only "software"?!

Robbo, everyone knows who the better teams were/ are!!!

The way they have been acting at Campaign was a disgrace. Something hard to make up for.

The Marshals lacked the competence and knowhow to enforce the rules correctly and the calls made were...how can you say this politly....you can't! ****ING ****!!! I know how hard it is to be on the field as Marshal and try to keep the games clean. What we need is a properly trained Marshalling Crew that is not made up of team players...or French Reffs (execpt Wilfred...he has been ok as far as I can tell all weekend!)


We from HPG and Halloween hope that NEXUS and the TIGERS will get a chance to repay the deed to the TonTons and I hope we are there to see it.

Love you guys!!!

Oli

 

[duffistuta]

What course of action would I suggest? Enforceable rules and the will to enforce them.

 

[EyeFellOva]

Originally posted by duffistuta
What course of action would I suggest? Enforceable rules and the will to enforce them.

That would be the ideal solution, but do you think the sport could get there? At the moment everyone seems (to me) almost complacent. These problems have been about for months/years and so far there don't seem to have been many steps taken in the right direction.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by duffistuta
4. No, it's not. And that is a very, very dangerous precedent to take.

You have a very good point, Duffy, but were you a boxer would you step into the ring against an opponent you knew had lead in his gloves?

I suppose a good answer to that is you would also put lead into your gloves since it is obviously something you could get away with. And that is a major part of the problem which, I think, lends understanding to Robbo's sentiments.

I know from conversations with some of the Tontons last year that they felt sick and tired of being out-gunned by ramping markers so they felt compelled to enter and beat the others in the arms race. So this whole thing has become a vicious circle.

This is just like all the other cheating (except that gun cheating brings a gigantic dose of physical danger): when players see that their opponents wipe off hits or do a run-through when hit then they feel compelled to recipricate. The pressure from captains, managers, sponsors and teammates increase to "do whatever is necessary" to beat their opponents at their own game. And that's where we are today.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by duffistuta
What course of action would I suggest? Enforceable rules and the will to enforce them.

Exactly. Add to that proper equipment and personnel.

Somehow I get the impression that Mill is biding time until next season when the current constellation might be shuffled a bit. In other words, maybe there is no will to spend any more money than necessary whilst there is uncertainty about how things will shake out.

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by EyeFellOva
That would be the ideal solution, but do you think the sport could get there? At the moment everyone seems (to me) almost complacent. These problems have been about for months/years and so far there don't seem to have been many steps taken in the right direction.

If it doesn't, we have no sport. It's not rocket science.

You're right about complacency, though I think it's possibly more accurately described as a ****ing good impersonation of an ostrich. And an ammoral ostrich at that.

If, er, you believe ostriches have any moral capacity...but I think we can leave that for another thread.

Red Ring Inflictor, I think you are 100% correct. But please , leave the boxing analogies to Robinson, I get tired enough of reading them month after month in his columns...

 

[EyeFellOva]

Originally posted by duffistuta
If it doesn't, we have no sport. It's not rocket science.

You're right about complacency, though I think it's possibly more accurately described as a ****ing good impersonation of an ostrich. And an ammoral ostrich at that.

That's too true! Do you think it's possible to give that ostritch a kick up the a$$?

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by EyeFellOva
That's too true! Do you think it's possible to give that ostritch a kick up the a$$?

We try in every issue of PGi, I think, and behind the scenes we also try and be a right ****ing pain in the arse to certain people as often as we can.

But that's just because we enjoy it. Any positive benefits that may accrue over the coming months are purely a bi-product of us acting like ****ers and needling certain people cos we're bored.

 

[Lump]

Ok so we talked about millennium being responsible. When can we take some sort of reasonability? I heard that one played got knocked out (robbo I think).so if we know a player had a hot gun and possible over BPS then with the amount of people there and video footage. Why can some be brave enough to take legal action against a player for assault? This would change things in an instant

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by lump
Ok so we talked about millennium being responsible. When can we take some sort of reasonability? I heard that one played got knocked out (robbo I think).so if we know a player had a hot gun and possible over BPS then with the amount of people there and video footage. Why can some be brave enough to take legal action against a player for assault? This would change things in an instant

Yep, good idea. Take legal action, get Max Clifford involved, whip the tabloids into a frenzy and start a media circus. That'd be good for Paintball.



Firstly, it does not take a hot gun to knock someone out. Secondly, even if the gun went hot, try proving it was deliberate. Thirdly, 'possible over BPS' - I don't see that one standing up in court. Fourthly, video footage proving a gun is hot? That I'd like to see.