OK... so they just admitted to having velocity ramping.
Does that mean the NPPL is going to remove all of their results?
Looks pretty clear cut to me. They have been breaking the rules and openly admitting it. What happens now?
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Does that mean the NPPL is going to remove all of their results?
Looks pretty clear cut to me. They have been breaking the rules and openly admitting it. What happens now?
Get in!! i beat manike to something allthought his post just goes completely over my head as he is using big numbers and words 
but i too think the board should be banned they did it with the code activated advantage why not this
PS manike answer your goddamn pms on tinkersguild
peegee
but i too think the board should be banned they did it with the code activated advantage why not this PS manike answer your goddamn pms on tinkersguild
peegee
I would quash every one of their results in a frikkin heartbeat but the chance of that happenin?
The same chance of a pizza remaining in one piece with Ledz and Piper in attendance.
It would be torn to shreds like confetti in a feeding frenzy !
Hold on a minute!!!!!
You guys are now coming down hard on the Tontons, for using boards with features that many OTHER boards also have?
I know of several boards that advertise both breakout modes and FSDO adjustment...... heck - most boards have full auto modes.... but none of that means that it is tournament legal or is used at tournaments by the team using the boards.
Obviously, any board manufacturer makes a product that can be used for all parts of the market, even rec games where full auto happen to be allowed....
If you want to discuss the merits of such options on ANY board on the market, I think that should be a thread on its own (and yes - I personally fail to see the merits of a breakout mode for instance)... but the mere fact that the board the Tontons is sponsored with has the feature, does not by default mean they use it.
You might as well come on here and say Dynasty are gun cheats, because the Tadao board has a breakout feature... but I guess nobody has the balls to pick on someone who is not already on the ground??
I realise that this is a predominantly british forum, that it is all the rage to "hate the french" and that the Tontons have been the catalyst of the recent winds of friendship that sweeps across the higher echelons of british paintball... but please keep things in perspective just a little
Nick
You guys are now coming down hard on the Tontons, for using boards with features that many OTHER boards also have?
I know of several boards that advertise both breakout modes and FSDO adjustment...... heck - most boards have full auto modes.... but none of that means that it is tournament legal or is used at tournaments by the team using the boards.
Obviously, any board manufacturer makes a product that can be used for all parts of the market, even rec games where full auto happen to be allowed....
If you want to discuss the merits of such options on ANY board on the market, I think that should be a thread on its own (and yes - I personally fail to see the merits of a breakout mode for instance)... but the mere fact that the board the Tontons is sponsored with has the feature, does not by default mean they use it.
You might as well come on here and say Dynasty are gun cheats, because the Tadao board has a breakout feature... but I guess nobody has the balls to pick on someone who is not already on the ground??
I realise that this is a predominantly british forum, that it is all the rage to "hate the french" and that the Tontons have been the catalyst of the recent winds of friendship that sweeps across the higher echelons of british paintball... but please keep things in perspective just a little
Nick
Nick,
I don't think it has anything to do with hating the French, I thought that was put to bed...I asked a question about how a board could increase velocity and, IMO, a very good discussion came from it, just happens that the TonTons are in the 'news' at the moment with regards to Velocity Ramping...nothing to do with hating the French.....btw I think you may have just stirred it all up again.
Correct me if I'm wrong but ZeroB Boards & the Ego all have an adjustment for FSDO don't they? So how would this effect these markers/boards?
...is this ADOC feature something which can be turned on and off on the Ton Ton's board? Or is it always on as standard??
Anything which adjusts velocity on the fly should, in my humble opinion, be considered far more questionable than ROF adjustment... (not saying that aint right either though...)
D.
Anything which adjusts velocity on the fly should, in my humble opinion, be considered far more questionable than ROF adjustment... (not saying that aint right either though...)
D.
I will say it, Dynasty are gun cheats and 'yes' they do use break out modes when they shouldn't as do virtually every frikkin team in the pro NPPL pro bracket..it's a frikkin joke !!!!Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Hold on a minute!!!!!
You might as well come on here and say Dynasty are gun cheats, because the Tadao board has a breakout feature... but I guess nobody has the balls to pick on someone who is not already on the ground??
Nick
Anything else u want said Nick?
Nick, we moved past that point days ago... now it's just everyone hating on the Tontons.
Bottom line is, the Tontons are out of control, and their guns are out of control.
The part that bugs me about it, is they keep complaining cause they feel they're being picked on or singled out. Get some freaking balls, if you cheat, expect to be branded as a cheater. When the crowd boos you.. you diserve it. Take it like a man, instead of a whiny child.
News flash, Tontons get singled out for a reason, because you keep getting caught cheating!
That an the fact that they don't care if they risk serously injuring someone else, as long as they win...
It's not like you're using steroids or something, and it's only going to hurt your own body, you run the risk of seriously hurting another person. In any other sport, if you intentionally try to hurt another player, you get banned, fined, and sometimes you do jail time if the injury is serious enough.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/columnist.jsp?content=20041223_143000_5036
I think shooting someone's eye out would constitue a similar response from the courts...
And that goes for anybody who cheats the velocity....
Well ok - anyone but you big guy... I'm talking to all the croonies that always get an oppinion AFTER it seems to be popular
(and now it's too late - because you already said it
)Col:
I think you and a lot of other people are working on assumption alone here.... Pete is convinced they used velocity ramping, and I am in no position to disagree (he might very well be right).... but at the same time, I think a lot of other people are in no position to agree, and just pile wood onto the fire without having any first hand knowledge... which I find silly.
If the Tontons have used velocity ramping, I want them kicked out of the sport for life, and will hold them down one by one, while Pete beats them up - along with anyone else doing it in the sport...... I would just like to see some proof.... and in the meantime direct my anger at the organisers that have not made sure such proof is available, by failing to institute the right rules, procedures and technology, for a problem that they have been warned about for years.
We can all think velocity ramping is despicable - and it is - but the fact of the matter is, that the Millennium Series is operating with a set of rules that puts velocity ramping on par with playing on - it's a 141 offence.... and that should tell us all the main problem lies with the Series.
Now we may ALL believe velocity ramping is FAR worse than playing on (and I agree with that standpoint) - but under the current set of rules and procedures - and with the technology made available to the refs by the Series - any halfwit could argue that velocity ramping is not that significant a thing, as the penalties for the two offences are similar..... and that's the REAL problem here!
Another significant point is, that it seems many people think "everyone is doing it, so we should also".... well first of all I think that is wildly inaccurate, especially in the Millennium Series... and secondly, the absence of rules, procedures and technology to eliminate the problem, is the reason people are in a position to think that way - and the responsibility for that again falls back squarely on the shoulders of the organisers.
Nick