Ton Tons @ CC

[Matski]

There really is no realistic solution short-term. It will come with growth, everyone just needs to keep spending their money, and it will come. If, as the Loco highlights, the demand is long n loud enough...things will change-fact of the matter is it requires more time, money and the industry and event organisers are short on both-despite popular belief

On a personal note-it's a shame that people seem to have jumped on the Tonton bashing wagon. If you have ever played Tonton with any frequency, particularly not so long ago in a peak of theirs, you would know just what a difficult, skilled, and controlling team they are to play. Whatever the mess surrounding an event, they deserve respect.

 

[Fat-Frank]

What about CLOSING this tread!
They way i look at it it`s a discrace to paintball.
People sitting on the internett throwing **** at eachother does not look good, and it will never stop and the way this turn`s out will never make any good solutions. The "freedom of speach" it`s alright, but this thread it`s riddicoulus.

Unfortunatley i did not see many games from TonTon this event, because we had more than enough with concentrating on ourselves, but i did see some games while waiting to play myself, in the finals.
Yes they shoot fast, but i cant judge that. The MS is responsible for this themselves, by just giving up, and accepting ramping guns. And as long as they don`t have the equipment to controll it, it will just be a farse.
Right know you have 5 different chrono-judges every time, that just check what they BELIEVE is right.

Concerning Tonton as a team, i think they play good, fast and hard ball.
With the ramping guns you will always have what people call overshooting. You may be hit by one single person by maybe 5-10 shoots, and if his teammates are on a roll and you step into their lanes, you could maybe add 10-15 more.
Sometimes teams MAY do this on purpose, but in general you can blame a lot on the ramping guns.
We have`nt met TonTon many times this year, but in Germany they beat us fair and square, but we felt like they added some x-tra shoots that was not neccesary. But i can not say if it was on purpose or "the name of the game", but my response was to tell Frank (captain TonTons) to tell his players to deal with this.

I as a player do not feel any respect just because i`m getting shoot multiple times. It gives more respect to be beaten by a smarter and better team. And this is in General, and not aimed at the Tontons.
So to you players that thinks you get respect by giving that xtra love, go home and practice technique and teamwork

So i guess this thread wont close then ...........................

See you all in Madrid

EDIT ADDED: Oh, Frank, let me count the ways. First you want the thread closed either because it's bad to say stupid and nasty things about the TTs (or the French generally) or it serves no good purpose to carry on about supposed illegal and uncontrolled conduct on the field. In effect holding the Mods responsible for the content of the thread and then--this is where it gets really good, Frank--you proceed to do exactly the same thing as everybody else (albeit more mildly) plus you spend most of your post discussing overshooting which I recall specifically suggesting be left out of any further conversation on this thread. In any language that is good stuff. TFP

 

[duffistuta]

Oh, the irony...

 

[Bolter]

I apologise in advance for starting this thread. I did not think or want it to turn into an anti French thread, and for that I must take responsibility and apologise.

And now Im going to hide behind Baca

 

[Robbo]

I just got back in from SD and read this lot, firstly, the Ton Tons use ramped velocity guns !!!
This is not even open to question in my head for reasons I will explain later but I wanna make a few things clear, this isn't or shouldn't be a French thing, it has nothing to do with nationality and has everything to do with a bunch of cheating ****bags who endanger their fellow player just because they want to win games.

This shouldn’t even be classified the same way as normal 'rate of fire' ramping violations; as the velocity ramp is primarily a safety issue as against a rule issue.
As for knowing the scumbags use this type of cheat ?
Whilst out in SD I had several conversations with either their players or a spokesperson for the team.

NONE OF THE PEOPLE I SPOKE TO DENIED THE USE OF VELOCITY RAMPING !!!!!!

In fact, the line taken was as follows, why are you picking on the Ton Tons when every other pro team is velocity ramping????

On hearing this unbelievable attempt at deflection, I endeavoured to explain that not all frikkin pro teams do it, in fact very few and when I went on to declare that Nexus not only do not use the velocity ramp, we also do not have any gun cheats whatsoever, a look of glazed disbelief washed over their face.
He just couldn’t believe we didn’t use cheater markers !!!!
I think that about says it all for me !!!
They have chosen a path, attempt to justify it in terms of commonality of use and then cannot even begin to entertain the notion that another pro team plays by the rules.

Now I am sure there will now be a few idiots who attempt to defend the Ton Tons, in my opinion, they are the worst type of cheat you can get, they repeatedly get players banned (they just got another one banned in San Diego for an illegal marker) and for my part, I will do everything I can to make sure my players don’t risk their safety when playing tournaments !!!!!!!!!

 

[james adkin]

wont be long till someone gets seriously hurt!

Then perhaps people will take notice

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Hmm

I think that unless a representative of the Tontons publicly says they do NOT use velocity ramping, I am starting to lean towards the idea of teams refusing to play them.

I know it is a dangerous precedent to set, because in what connection will it be used next time?... but the line HAS to be drawn at teams that knowingly and willingly endanger the safety of their fellow paintballers.

I would recommend that you - Pete - take the initiative of putting on a meeting with all the Pro Captains in Madrid, where discussion can take place.... not just about the Tontons or velocity ramping, but possibly a more deep going dialogue about how we (the teams) interact in the future.

Yes, it seems elitist to say "Pro Captains" - but it is not meant that way... it is just to keep the meeting at a managable size.... and if the Pro teams (with all their sponsor and media considerations - and anoimosity towards eachother) can agree on something significant, it will probably be easy to broaden the concept afterwards.

This is ANOTHER good example of why the teams/players need to organise....

What do you say Pete?

Nick

 

[Robbo]

Ya know what Nick, they could come on here or wherever and deny they use them, and it would of course be the most expedient thing for them to do even though, in my opinion, they are as guilty as hell.

And all this may even force them to stop using ramping velocity but how the hell do we tell?
They have been using these boards of theirs knowing they couldn't get caught, we still can't catch them unless we invest in some technology and then grow some balls.
The only way out for me as a team owner and competitor is to refuse to play these cheating *******s and if people wanna organize themselves (pros or otherwise) into some form of collective whereby we refuse to play them, then it's cool by me but if I spearhead it, we run the risk of the wheels falling off because I could be accused of sour grapes because we lost against them.......
If we (Nexus) go to Madrid then I think we need to all have a talk of some sort and if you wanna organize it Nick, I will have no problem in attending and stating my opinion.
If the rules and judges can't deal with them, then we have to before some poor schmuck gets his frikkin eye blown out !!!

It's our only option unless we adopt the Ton Ton philosophy and all use velocity ramping

 

[james adkin]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Hmm

I think that unless a representative of the Tontons publicly says they do NOT use velocity ramping, I am starting to lean towards the idea of teams refusing to play them.

Problem is Nick that anyone can get a board made, for themselves with any spec if they know the right people

 

[Oli HPG]

Originally posted by james adkin

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Hmm

I think that unless a representative of the Tontons publicly says they do NOT use velocity ramping, I am starting to lean towards the idea of teams refusing to play them.

Problem is Nick that anyone can get a board made, for themselves with any spec if they know the right people

So damn true!!!