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Ratco has a directional microphone setup that lets him check ROF within a circle of about 3' - so it's good enough for most cases, but can't filter out two players right next to each other yet.

Velocity is trickier - the only thing we have to measure it is radar, and as a guy who get spulled over a lot, getting radar to work with big things like cars is hard; getting it to work with a hundred paintballs in the air at once is extremely difficult.

Certified boards are the answer to both ROF and velocity ramping. (relatively) cheap, absolutely effective.

As for Millenium, I don't see why you guys complain about teams having "gun cheats" every event - MILLENIUM DOES NOT HAVE ANY GUN RULES! They've written some stuff down, but they don't enforce anything, so if you're playing millenium, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't have a bps ramping chip.

This shouldn't be the case, but as long as a league refuses to enforce the rules, I'm going to refuse to obey them. I refuse to be the honest player who is the victim of the dishonest players being given free reign to **** me over.
 

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Hello Everybody,
My name is Fab Halmone, for the ones who don t know me that won t be very hard to find out who i am, me and my brother have been playing for 13 years, and 8 years in pro , i m not sure that there is a lot of people who played pro for so long and started their pro career on team Aftershock on Robbo s side, so if you take the time to read what i have to say that would be nice.Not a lot of players experience playing with so many different team as we did, here is the list crows (france), camp tigers (france) hellwood (france)tontons (france), shockwave(UK), Turks(UK), Afterschock (USA), Shockwave cal (USA),baltimore trauma (USA),Arsenal (USA) bad company(usa) russian legions (russia).
If I reply this post it is because i have something to say and because i m one of the best to answer it as i ve been playing for the tontons for 6 years and rule the team the two last years i was there with my brother before we left last year for personnal reason and then joined Arsenal.
the problem in this sport is that the refs don t ref a sport game , but they ref a flag or a jersey ... and the players as well judge a team more on there flag than on their level. I know that france and england havent really be best friend thru the History ... but i dont think that napoleon as his place on a paintball ... the all nation is not responsible for what happened 200 years ago...If i say that , it is because i think that we proved we can be friend even being from different countries as i have a lot of friend in england as Robbo who s more than a friend for me, and who i consider as a member of my familly and for who i have the biggest respect, and i d never be thanks full enought for what he did for me and my brother,Nick truter from nexus, twizzle (ex UK pred), matt schmitt from shocwave, danny ......I think one of the biggest problem with the french comes from a lack of communication as a lot of french people don t speak english and for that it is a problem of culture, so of course, starting from here you cannot make friend in any other foreign team, and on the field you cannot talk to the ref either.I m not here to say that the tonton are innocent and the most fair team on earth but for sure they are not the worst, and i am here to bring an outside point of view and tell some truths that a lot of pro player keep secret.One important thing as people start talking about Laurent, you should know that every single paintball player should be thanks full to him because if we don t play in the wood anymore it is because of him, he is simply the best help for our sport without him it won t be what it is now,he has been the first to bring the no camo and the field out of the wood with WDP at the begining of the hyperball.And something wich is for sure he never abuse as the main owner of the millenium to help his team, he is one of the most honnest person when it comes to that and there is no doubt to have about is integrity.Even ounce I had a discussion with him asking him how can the team of the serie owner get ****ed so bad by the ref, believe or not tonton is one of the team that get ****ed by the ref the most... and by far and i have proof that i ll tell you here.it is true that tonton don t help themselves acting how they do sometimes, and specially one player on the team cannot control his nerves and that a big problem.What is weired is that it is only when a team end up in the final that people complain about the guns... everytime the finish at the bottom at the ranking we don t see any post on them ...i guess because every body is happy and that s a shame.i ve never see anybody complaining about the guns of dynasty or avalanche ... and that s were it start ... shooting 5 players out of 7 right at the break is beyound talent ... but nobody never said anything, it means you dont see how much you get ****ed by the americans... they are the worst cheater and by far, on the guns , on cheating , on everything, and the ref has their tounge so deep in their ass that they can t see what happened on the field .. but we can be sure to see them at the end of the tourney asking for a jersey ... that s very nice for a sport who wants to be on TV...You cannot even imagine what all the american pro teams do i cannot tell it all because we could write a book, i ll just give you my personnal experience playing with them.and everybody should be honest , every body cheats cheating is like masturbation, the first one who say that he has never done it is a liar !!!!!!! and just for the story, the UK preds back in the days when we can bearly see the end of the field such it was huge were shooting straight from one side to another using the liquid CO2 and i remember rafe Farmer going on the fiel with a nice allen wrench on the side of his mpm stock on his predator cocker in front of the refs.and if mayhem was so hard to win, it wasn t because the level of the UK teams because of the refs and only ironmen managed to win in 1994.but even if all those great teams cheat as dynasty, preds, XSV, they stay great players with a lot of talent...
so for me after getting ****ed by the ref all the time because i had a tonton jersey on , when i went to arsenal, in Madrid a ref called Keneth, in the last game of the quarter final the batterie of my angel died so i had to take the spare gun wich was a intimidator anodised with louis vuitton graphic.i went to the chrono and the gun was bouncing as hell it was shooting like 4 times each trigger pull he took the gun chronograph it and give it to me back saying that the gun was legal... i thought it was a trick to catch me at the end but i had no choice to go on the field with it, and even at the end i broke a ball in the feeder to turn off the eye to be sure not to have bounce... but of course i havent been checked... i had an arsenal jersey on... i was a new man, and those refs let a lot of players go on the field with illegal guns, and only from american teams, and of course the tonton who were following coudn t go on the field with legal guns.
 

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it is crazy to see how a nice american flag stick at the back of your jersey can change your life... and i even talked about that with steve Morris in malaga saying that the reffing is not faire at all.everybody hates the tonton and that s true that everybody get bad calls , but not as much as the tontons and not has bad, and if 3 years ago we finished secound in huntington beach ref by swedish refs and playing with impulses and evolution loader it is not because we were cheating it is because we played good.all the time when a team makes result he gets critics from everybody even the russian did and then when you re a way over everybody then you can do what ever you want , and i saw the russian legion get ****ed so many times and could say anything because they don t speak english and now they re too good to have reffing problems, but teamn like tonton and nexus wo9uld never be a way over so so time you do ggod some times you dont , it would be nice to judge them when they are at the top of the ranking as weel as the bottom.and playing with 6 in final is not easy and even something is weired on their gun that can be possible but they played well and not all the team as their own gun... nexus could also have modes or stuff, it is always easy to say something on a team we dont like.For those who are intelligent they would think about what i said and see that cheating is part of the game and that the french are not the only one to blame, but if you re racist and you still think that the french are evil.. you can go to hell. i ve seen more cheating and wipping on my american team in 5 event that i ve seen in 6 years playing with the tontons, there is good and bad people on every teamn, dont juge a team on their flag, or because of the attitude of a few players so players are young and just ask to have fun and nothing more, we share the same passion, and maybe you ll see some day as i did that over the game on the field the best part of this sport is all the friend from other culture that you can have, i know robbo will agree with me on that.
I wish to everybody to enjoy the game as much as i use to and hopefully that people will be more open minded and that we could see a better friendship on the field beetween the european nations. and i d like to thanks the joydivision they ve always been the best ref and the most fair.
any reply or comment will be welcome i m not here to fight against england , i have too many friends in this country, i love the sport and i love the nice people who play it no matter their skin color, their religion or their nationality.

Play good ball

fab
 
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Originally posted by manike
That is actually possible...

The camera costs around $60,000 to buy or $3,000 a day to hire (with staff), and takes 4000 frames per second. With that we can accurately use a video camera to check velocity... Not practical or cheap, but I can show you how.

As for reality... a laser mic and a crew of people using them is the only real answer. Use a laser mic connected to a normal video camera to prove where the red dot was and... you can tell who was shooting what rof. Needs some equipment and time to make it reality. But it's possible. You can probably pick up a beautiful signal from anywhere on the gun/loader. A little tougher on the break but that's why you have the video to proof which gun etc. it was on.

The reality is only the NXL and NPPL have ever really put any thought or time or MONEY into catching these cheats. The others have only just pretended to.
I knew you were going to reply to that point Si. :p

As I said, enforceable rules and the will to enforce them...and if the kit is not practical it doesn't fall under that heading.

When we spoke a while ago you had thought up an absolutely foolproof way to deal with this - what happened to Project WorldPeace? Still working on it?
 
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And Fabrice is right, which is why I made the point that refusing to play the Tontons sets a very dangerous precedent...because most Pro team captains know of other Pro teams that use illegal guns as a matter of course, yet they will not name them or make a fuss in public.

There is a definite double standard going on. This does not excuse the TonTons IF they have got naughty guns, but it does ilustrate a difference in attitude which, whether it's based on xenophobia or a simple dislike of the TonTons, is absolutely unacceptable.
 
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Mon niveau d'anglais n'etant pas super bon, je prefere m'abstenir, et puis de tt facon, les anglais viennent poster en anglais sur le Forum Tonton, j'vois pas pouquoi je m'casserai les couilles pour eux!!!

Je tiens personnelement a remercier les Tontons pour avoir foutu une bonne branlée aux rosbeefs!!! Ca fait plaisir de les voir de retour au meilleur niveau, mm si on leur met des....troncs d'arbres dans les roulettes...

encore, ils auraient rien dit, ca aurait été... mais la ramener en disant que leurs guns sont pas conformes... mais qu'ils aillent se faire foutre!!!

si les guns ont été validés par les arbitres,...bah ya pa a tergiverser pendant 3 plombes!!!


en tout cas, merci Fab pour ce post.
 

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My English level not etant super good, I prefere to abstain from, and
then from tt way, English comes English poster on the Forum Uncle, I
do not see pouquoi I will be bored to death for them!!!

I hold personnelement has to thank the Uncles to have foutu good
shaken with the rosbeefs!!! Ca gives pleasure of seeing them return to
the best level, mm if one puts to them... troncs of trees in the
casters...

still, they would have said anything, Ca would have been... but
to bring back it while saying that their guns are not in conformity...
but that they will be made foutre!!!

if the guns were validated by the arbitres... bah ya Pa has to
tergiversate during 3 lead!!!


in any case, thank you Fab for this post.



lol the translator i used didnt make it any easier!
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by [DRAKS]Mephisto_TONTON POWA!!!
Mon niveau d'anglais n'etant pas super bon, je prefere m'abstenir, et puis de tt facon, les anglais viennent poster en anglais sur le Forum Tonton, j'vois pas pouquoi je m'casserai les couilles pour eux!!!

Je tiens personnelement a remercier les Tontons pour avoir foutu une bonne branlée aux rosbeefs!!! Ca fait plaisir de les voir de retour au meilleur niveau, mm si on leur met des....troncs d'arbres dans les roulettes...

encore, ils auraient rien dit, ca aurait été... mais la ramener en disant que leurs guns sont pas conformes... mais qu'ils aillent se faire foutre!!!

si les guns ont été validés par les arbitres,...bah ya pa a tergiverser pendant 3 plombes!!!


en tout cas, merci Fab pour ce post.
Mon ami - le problème n'est pas que les arbitres ont dit que les pistolets étaient bons ; c'est que les fraudes sont si bon il n'est pas toujours possible que les arbitres les trouvent. Cependant, ceci ne signifie pas le Tontons triché pour sûr. Le problème n'est pas nécessairement le Tontons, mais les règles et les juges. Oui ?
 

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Wow, found this on the tonton website, here´s the link if ya wanna see the pics http://www.tontons-flingueurs.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=264

Here´s what he had to say:

Well back from the Campaign Cup where we took third. Playing 6 games with 6 TonTons after two of us were banned for overshooting.
XSV made it once again, beating a great Menace team in the finals. Menace, XSV, Tontons and the Ducks weren't beat during the prelims, with 8 straight wins.

We were once again attacked during & after the event, we will answer here for those who cares.

First of all, we like sports, we respect our opponents. We think that US teams are by far the best in Paintball and we never complain about the way they play, we just try to learn a lot from those teams.

We have friends in the London Tigers, Shockwave and Nexus Squads. I, personnaly, really appreciate the few of them I know and TonTons know each game against them will be a great battle.
The difference with the years before is that now we talk to each other, there is no hate anymore, not like in the 90' !
We'd like to train with them, we even talked about that because our goal seemed to be the same in the beggining of the year : practise to become as good as US teams, have a chance to beat them during NPPL events.

But now the haters have arrived with their lies and slandering, complaining about nothing, spending their time calumniated on the net instead of making drills on the fields .
TonTons are 4 experimented players and 4 young talentuous players, we will not let haters spitting on their their efforts and investments.

In Birmingham, we got two bans for overshooting. In the Nexus case, a guy, Jamie I think, got bunkered twice; my second player chose to bunker him because he thought Jamie was missed by the first Tonton move, and Jamie got a key obstacle.
When you bunker someone who is hidden behind a structure, you will not look at how he is, it's too fast and you can't see him before you decide to act. Things like that happens, it's paintball. Jamie gave a handshake to the Tonton later in the tourney.
Now, we never complained or cried on a public forum about being bonus balled or overshooted but we are always bonusballed, if you want some samples... enjoy, here you are, I know that at least you've already liked two of them, proudly exposing them on this same forum :










None of those actions were penalized by banishment, you ****ers, just kidding yourselves. None of you, defended us on public forums when we got bonus ball in Amsterdam this year. But it's not important, we accept that, it's nothing. Thomas, on the first pic, had to go to the hospital 'cause his tympanum got injured, but who cares ? Take a look at this pictures, and once again be happy... fools.

We don't use any illegal guns even though we think some others Pro teams do. The rules is clear, your gun can ramp once 7.5 bps is achieved. Sorry but we easily achieve this ROF ! The rule says that markers must be capped at 15 bps defined as no two consecutive shots maybe timed shorter than 65 ms apart. So actually it makes 15.38 bps, and all of you shoot at this ROF above 15 bps.

If you watched us play as you said and, if you, haters, are not definitively dumb, you will easily understand that Fire Power is not part of our strategy. We play aggressively, as fast as we can, losing or wining in quick game, reaching the 50 as soon as possible. Shooting fast and over 300 fps are not part of our ways of playing, sorry to disappoint you. Our game is based on the move. So, we do not use any velocity ramping or ****ing cheaters chips. You think we created and exported ramping ? YOU dreamt that !
I never saw you, fools, blaming other Pro teams for doing those kind of things and now you blame us ? Wow !! Do you really think we use some stuffs that the best teams of the world don't have ? well no more bull****s, come down to earth.
We are just a small team in the paintball World, working hard to pay tourneys, to win games. Never let another team play under our name to remain in the top teams. You cut us a leg ? ban some of our players ? We will just improve our game and try to beat you even with 6 players... However we will never cry on players forum. We play as well as possible with our means. That's it.

Nexus beat us in Germany, constantly play better than us in NPPL this year... I think Robbo should have left them alone finally. It's a great team with smart and nice guys. They don't need him fighting versus Rage or us.
Playing Nexus : well frankly, I've never received so much paint during a break, never being eliminated so close of the start, only two meters from the base and I got hit ! Have we said Nexus cheat with Velocity ramping ? No. Nevertheless, I only could make two meters in Germany and received like 5 balls in the head. We just concluded, Nexus had a huge break, have better guns that ours and that we must take care, manage with that... however I still respect and appreciate Tommy and the other guy from Nexus. It's part of the game. Who needs Politics ?

Some of the TonTons played for Wolverine, 12 years ago, and know Robbo very well. We knew him when he told the world, his team will no longer play versus Aftershock because he said they were "dangerous" lol... and two years later, he joined them.
We think Nexus & Tigers fixed the third game of the quarters this Week End (we taped it) because Nexus could still make it with a 100/0 win vs Tigers and if we lost vs the Ducks. We understand that, it's not a reason to hate them or to tell bad things on them, it will change nothing between them and us... even if a french team got one year ban for fixing a game two years ago. We don't want good players to get banned, it's the only way we will improve ourselves, by playing them.

Have you ever seen us crying on forums for being overshooted ? Have you ever heard us crying on forums because Teams fixed games ? No.
We lose, we train. We train, we win games. If we need to be 2 times better than others not to be screw by a bad call, we'll try to be twice as good. Taking lesson from Russian Legion. We won 13 games out of 15 this WE in Birmingham, only two loss against XSV who are a way better than we are on so many points. Are we going to cry because YOU think we won 13 games only by cheating ? No.
Once again be serious, we know what we worth. We thought we were all Euros guys, we were probably wrong.

Congrats to XSV, Menace and JT All Star for the CC and Good Luck to all Euros teams for San Diego.