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The Glory Boy Sweepstakes

Where will LaSoya be playing next year?

  • Still with Infamous, fool

    Votes: 15 11.0%
  • XSV (cus all the talent they horde can't play for the Dynarats)

    Votes: 9 6.6%
  • Dynasty (cus they need some adult leadership)

    Votes: 3 2.2%
  • Arsenal (cus who else would take him)

    Votes: 9 6.6%
  • Avalanche (cus hell just froze over)

    Votes: 4 2.9%
  • Naughty Dogs (cus Gino said so)

    Votes: 8 5.9%
  • Oakland (cus Bob has a plan to conquer the world and Gino begged him to)

    Votes: 14 10.3%
  • The new unnamed ProCaps Pro team

    Votes: 74 54.4%

  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .

JtJ

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Yeah, but that's not gonna happen.

As long as there are overseas events and US teams with the budget and time to attend, there are going to be US teams at Euro events.

Traveling around Europe and the world may be old-hat for you guys, but for most Americans, its quite the treat.

After re-reading the thread, I have to take umbrage with something else proposed here: if the European teams decided to stop playing Americans for even 2 years, it would cause irreparable harm to the development of your top teams. It would take years for the competitiveness of the top teams to approach Americans again (as they are now).
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by JtJ


After re-reading the thread, I have to take umbrage with something else proposed here: if the European teams decided to stop playing Americans for even 2 years, it would cause irreparable harm to the development of your top teams. It would take years for the competitiveness of the top teams to approach Americans again (as they are now).
Not if the finances that are currently put toward travel were put toward five days a week training and salarying your core squad to allow that to happen.
 

Missy Q

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not so sure.

Training and drills etc will definitely help, but if one of the American teams did that instead of practicing against fellow pro teams most weekends I think they would finish lower rather than higher at subsequant NPPL events.

To make a football comparison, its the difference between fit, and match fit...
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by Missy Q
not so sure.

Training and drills etc will definitely help, but if one of the American teams did that instead of practicing against fellow pro teams most weekends I think they would finish lower rather than higher at subsequant NPPL events.

To make a football comparison, its the difference between fit, and match fit...
I think there is an argument there, but in the scheme of things currently the bulk of the Euros are match fit Championship players - like Wolves, say - whilst the bulk of the US top teams are match fit Premiership players.

Take the Russian Legion route to full on training as a job, then get your match fitness over the first couple of events. Think of it like that, and currently the Russians are the only team that actually has a pre-season.

What about my previous post Missy, re value of teams, Europe etc. Surely your bad self has some thoughts on those issues...
 

Baca Loco

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Originally posted by Missy Q
not so sure.

Training and drills etc will definitely help, but if one of the American teams did that instead of practicing against fellow pro teams most weekends I think they would finish lower rather than higher at subsequant NPPL events.

To make a football comparison, its the difference between fit, and match fit...
Of course your comparo presumes the Americans are "fit" to begin with which I would question. I think one of the things the RL demonstrate almost unequivocally is that most American Pro teams do not have the depth of preparation that RL does and rely more on talent. So far all the RL has proven is that superior training can compete with superior talent. We have yet to see what happens when superior talent also gains the benefit of superior training.
 

Missy Q

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Steve - re. your point earlier. I think European teams will welcome a decent series where Pro's play Pro's in Europe. I think that if a team trains full-time and dedicates themselves to paintball then they could win it, if they started with talented players.
eg. Nexus could do it/Red Heat could not (no offence to RH at all)

I do not think the Euro teams will 'opt out' of the NPPL as a wholesale movement though. If only one team stayed, that team would get advantages over thier house-bound relatives, and that carrot is too big to refuse. Then you have the 'proofing ground' the following season. The team that plays the yanks vs the team that trains hard at home. I believe that if the Euro teams pull out, the talent from these teams will be picked up by the other NPPL teams. There will be a flourish of 'cherry-picking'. What you will have left are the players that were never good enough anyway, or that retain a loyalty to their team (rare these days).

With a further diminished talent pool in the Euro league you end up in a situation where the full-time team is the only other real competitive team to be on. So you end up with the best Euro players in the states, and the NPPL teams still wanting to come over to Europe to take home the money, and very little to stop them other than the 'Great White Hope' Euro team, which has had no-one to train against of any merit, and is likely to get a culture shock when faced with the yanks latest tricks.
History has shown that the yanks get the tricks 'down' sooner. The way to stay with them is to play them.
And Jolean Lescott, Matt Murray and George Ndah are premiership quality... We can't all be glory monkeys!

Re the value of teams. If the whole job wasn't on the floor at the moment I would say the going rate for a bottom of the table spot is around $150,000. As it stands with the current situation, I have heard values as low as $60,000 being offered. I think thats a steal, in fact I think a Bernie Ecclestone type should buy up 4 or 5 spots on the NPPL as an investment. Tom Fore seems to be buying spots. He has Arsenal, Arsenal A are hoping to be promoted, and I heard a whisper that Sedition may be on his shopping list. That could get interesting...

Baca, I think you are underestimating the talent pool of he Russians. All teams train hard. The russians train harder, sure, but if they were not equally talented they would not stand a chance. They are more disciplined, which can be mistaken for a lack of talent because they don't keep getting up and running players down, but risk-assessment is a skill too, and the Russians are definitely better at that (must be all that chess). He took the most talented Europeans (in his opinion), and then cut half of them for not being good enough. Of course the Talent pool in the States is bigger, but I don't feel the Russians suffer from a lack of talent at all. Also, the Russians are prepared to be trained (discipline). Currently I do not see teams in the US that would be prepared to suffer the Russian regimen in order to get better. far too uncomfortable for them, not as 'cool' etc...
 

Nick Brockdorff

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Jul 9, 2001
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Hmm

I have to take issue with some of the things you write:

1)
Decent Series where pros play pros in Europe - I'm all for it... if that league holds more than a handfull Euro teams.

2)
As for US teams cherry picking from the Euro teams - I don't really see that happening.... They would have done that a long time ago if they were interested - any Euro player would jump at the chance to play with a US Pro team.

Problem is that to justify the extra expenses (if the player keeps living in Europe) or the extra hassle (if you need to find him a job, a place to live, etc.)...... a Euro player has to be BETTER than any US player the team can find, which is very rare indeed.... and the whole reason only a handfull of Europeans have even been fulltime rostered members of US Pro teams. - When I played there, I boarded 62 different airplanes in a season - and that is QUITE a bill to pick up for any team... no matter who the player is.

So, the point is... we don't lack talent on Euro Pro teams.... we're just not MORE talented than the US players - and when you add "budget" to the mix (which translates into more practice and more events), the US teams win out at more or less every event.

You give me the same budget any of the top 5-6 US Pro teams has, and I'll easily build a European contender that finishes in the top 5 every time, in under a year!

3)
Diminishing talent pool? - Hmm - as said I don't think it will happen, but even if it did, there is not a damn thing a Euro Pro team can do about it, as long as their US counterparts have budgets that are 5-10 times as big.

4)
Team value. - *COUGH* - no offence...... but being an employee of WDP - and not disclosing it when you write about $ values on NPPL franchises, I find in poor taste. - Quite obviously it is in the best interest of the organisation you belong to (yeah yeah - bla bla bla - "Pure Promotions is not WDP" - bla bla bla ;)), to give people the impression that a "franchise" in the NPPL is worth a lot - because that lends value to the league and the whole concept of it..... but I think you should refrain from writing stuff like that when using your incognito alter ego.

Your values MAY or MAY NOT be right.... I have no clue what you base those numbers on... I'm just saying it seems odd that a guy in your position would write them - but then do so anonymously.

5)
As for the Russians - they have never ever picked up a single seasoned Pro player for the team - and that is the reason they don't win everything - yet.

Their ONE drawback is that their players are comperatively inexperienced in event play.... before joining the NXL, their russian players played 5-6 events outside Russia per year - no more.

And the few none-russians they picked up, were (when they picked them) inexperienced talented kids.

If you moved Dynasty to Moscow, and put them through the RL regime for 6 months, you would have a team that nobody could beat - in any format - ever.

Point is, that nobody should dispute the talent in the RL roster... but experience is just as important a factor in paintball, because gunfights are just as often won with brains/experience as with pure skill.... And experience is where they are still lacking - although they are evidently catching up very fast.

For the same reason, were they to play the NPPL, they would struggle a little more than they do in the NXL (we'll - they don't struggle there at all ;)) - because X-Ball gives them much better opportunity to bring their amazing coaching staff to bear and enhances their ability to do set plays.

Nick
 

fred1

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Sep 25, 2003
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Hmm

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
5)
As for the Russians - they have never ever picked up a single seasoned Pro player for the team - and that is the reason they don't win everything - yet.

Their ONE drawback is that their players are comperatively inexperienced in event play.... before joining the NXL, their russian players played 5-6 events outside Russia per year - no more.

And the few none-russians they picked up, were (when they picked them) inexperienced talented kids.
They have one now. Fred Halmone is an official member of the Boston Red Legion since the beginning of the season.

Honestly after this NXL season I think they will have acquired the necessary experience. Their talent pool is definitely nothing like that of the American teams.... but they have a couple gems that any American team would kill for (if they spoke english).....
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by Missy Q


We can't all be glory monkeys!

...
Look at my avatar and apologise immediately for that statement.

And I agree that the cherry picking will happen - I'd back Nexus to lose at least one, possibly three players to US teams should they pull out of the NPPL. Joy might take a hit or two too.
 

fred1

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Why would the US teams wait for Joy or Nexus to pull out of NPPL before offering deals to some of their players? Or have these players already received offers that they turned down?