PSP's new 15 BPS rule

[Baca Loco]

Another axe on the grinder

This isn't news. Nor is it undisputable fact. It is a press release from a checkered source with their own motives. How about a little perspective, peeps?
Even so I agree there are legitimate issues regarding just how the new rules are written, understood and enforced. That is the point of this thread, after all, to discuss just that.

Take a moment to review one salient para--

quoted from WAS release-- Since nearly nobody legally exceeds 15 bps when shooting, a cap is not going to change the sport. However, the virtual full-auto ramping will. It takes a single shot to the temple to cause unconsciousness. Repeated shots to the temple can induce a coma and/or cause death. Those are the facts. If a mask comes off, the chances of someone being shot multiple times in the face is dramatically increased with a marker that is capable of shooting 15 bps at a sustained pace by anyone.

The evil, danger and horror of ramping is presented as if bodies will be dropping left and right should such a thing ever occur, yet--ask anybody in the NXL and their F/A guns are slower now than they were and decidedly slower than the Pro bracket in the NPPL.
If only a handful of players are capable of high sustained rates, yet those rates are visible and available everywhere today then the problem already exists and it isn't a proposed cap or the magic number 15.
If 15 bps was going to turn the sport upside down the truth is it's already happened and WAS was a big contributor.

 

[manike]

How strange... Jim Drew refusing to follow the rules. Who'd a thought it...

I posted this somewhere else...

Originally posted by manike
I think Jim Drew's insurance company should be shown a WAS gun on DB1...

Jim Drew has, in my opinion, been shown to be a hypocritical liar many times on PBNation and other forums.

To sum up his quote which was tl; dr material... I think this is what he meant to say...

"you no longer have an advantage by using my board to cheat, therefore I am going to try and stop you being able to use anything else, since I would lose out on sales if the cheating advantage of my boards is no longer a selling factor"

Ahh, I remember when he told me he could force NPS out of business. hahaha

I think someone needs to ask the PSP what they think of Jim Drew and his boards being used for cheating, ask Lane, it's really quite amusing.

I don't think JD has a moral leg to stand on.

Don't let Jim Drew sway the way of making good steps for the future or we might as well give up on paintball now.

 

[Intheno]

Steve, I wasn't singling you out my friend, although I see why you thought I was. I will read back and identify the twat I would prefer to have a crack at, lol

I know you well enough to know where your heart is in all this. You want a viable solution. So do I. But surely we have to deal with reality.
Everyone should have thier opinions, and fair play to them, but if they are not based on anything solid, or say, the law, then they are a bit crap, aren't they?

My only point is that even with insurance being called into question quite a few times, certainly by me, nobody even followed up on it. Jim Drew now has, as he has his own product liability to consider, but surely someone should have got this straight before blindly accepting the PSP's rulings and even arguing to impliment them in other series, including Europe. People are even saying that it is a good idea and will even make the game safer.
Just seems really weird, and very difficult to justify if, heaven forbid, a prosecuting attorney ever got his over-paid, compensation seeking little hands on a set of the written rules to put next to the ASTM standards.
I like the healthy skepticism part, but suggest calls to some insurance companies would be an even healthier option, as the PSP's event is next weekend....

 

[Wadidiz]

From Manike's self-quote:

"...ask Lane, it's really quite amusing."¨

Yes it was!

 

[Intheno]

Simon, I'm suprised at you, even though you would have to be a hit-man of the very highest caliber to find the mark in this case, character assassination is still just un-English. You need to get out of New Jersey for a bit, your employers are rubbing off on you.
(something that would never happen to me of course

 

[Intheno]

and of course Loco, your own X-ball agenda would have nothing to do with your own defense of allowing ramping guns in the PSP?

Before you start on, do you not agree that an event should be insured for the good of the players? I don't see the chance of an accident being any bigger in any given league ramping or no ramping. But when it does happen, and you must surely agree that it will, one day, if I were a promotor or a player I would perfer to be insured.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by Intheno
Simon, I'm suprised at you, even though you would have to be a hit-man of the very highest caliber to find the mark in this case, character assassination is still just un-English. You need to get out of New Jersey for a bit, your employers are rubbing off on you.
(something that would never happen to me of course

You must have missed my knock out no holds barred internet 'fights' with Jim Drew over the last 3 years.

I've taken him to pieces several times on the internet, way before my current job.

You can still see some of the original 'discussions' on AO, although unfortunately he forced all his bull**** to be deleted from PBN after being caught in one lie too many.

I don't believe a single thing that comes out of his mouth. If he said 2+2 = 4 I'd still grab a calculator to check.

He's the worst of the worst, and for him to be making some 'crusade' is hysterical. Even if he may have some point to his concerns, I don't believe that's why he is doing it.

 

[Intheno]

what happened to you. GET OUT, GET OUT I TELL YOU!!!

While I can't find a single scrap of anything to defend Jim Drew with, and wouldn't wish to. I would do a welshman (cut off my balls and take them into a local bar) if the PSP's insurance company knows about ramping guns being used. It is inviting trouble. Which makes it silly. Thats all I'm saying.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Intheno
and of course Loco, your own X-ball agenda would have nothing to do with your own defense of allowing ramping guns in the PSP?

Before you start on, do you not agree that an event should be insured for the good of the players? I don't see the chance of an accident being any bigger in any given league ramping or no ramping. But when it does happen, and you must surely agree that it will, one day, if I were a promotor or a player I would perfer to be insured.

You are such a one note hack, ITN, that it's hardly worthwhile bothering to fend off your usual run of "when did you stop beating your wife" type accusations. By this point I imagine everyone is aware you're simply shilling your agenda but without the character to do it openly.

Should you wish to go back in time and follow the sequence of everything I've written or posted on this issue generally you won't find any inconsistency in my views. Of course you already know that so the imference is just a cheap poke. Like most of your "dates" or so I'm told. Scandanavian or otherwise.

Nor, it might be noted, am I defending ramping guns. My interest is in the viability of rules and standards and always has been. It is my opinion that at this time PB has little option but to tolerate markers with all sorts of capabilities that in future might be fairly and uniformly controlled but cannot be now. As such a lot of moralizing hot air and flummery in place of workable rules simply makes a mockery of any claim to be interested in the integrity of the game.

Re: Insurance You want honest? My view is that when and if some serious injury occurs during an event both the promoter, whoever it is, and their insurer, whoever they are, will spend years in litigation trying to avoid financial obligation and that even if they one day lose the victim will have been victimized at least twice in the whole process unless they were willing upfront to settle for whatever chump change the insurance company tried to cram down their throats while the promoters put out a blitz of PR damage control statements. That's my view on insurance. Happy?

 

[Intheno]

LOL, thats great, you sound really riled!
Today is a good day.

by the way, when DID you stop beating your wife?

you know, you can be really hurtful sometimes Comrade Loco...
Just not today.

And as for my dates - you should be so lucky.