Proposal for a summit about keeping markers legal

[Lucky.One]

Wadidiz, you are failing to realize what you are use to and what is reality. Humans can only activate something so fast. They can only be so dexterious. Simply place a cap, like there is for velocity and have a contraption to detect violations, like a chorno. You don't try to prove my regulator is up to high when the chrono beeps? I am just told to turn it down. I still think with chronos and directional mikes, and a cap (limit) in place you can get things under control in one event with reasonable prior warning.

This puts the burden on the leagues, they don't want to piss guys off and be the first because people whine and we all giggle when we shoot something insanely fast. Everyone is standing around looking for someone to pick up the ball, knowing that someone should do it, but knowing the first single person or small group is going to get pummeled for trying.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by evil.one
Wadidiz, you are failing to realize what you are use to and what is reality. Humans can only activate something so fast. They can only be so dexterious. Simply place a cap, like there is for velocity and have a contraption to detect violations, like a chorno. You don't try to prove my regulator is up to high when the chrono beeps? I am just told to turn it down. I still think with chronos and directional mikes, and a cap (limit) in place you can get things under control in one event with reasonable prior warning.

This puts the burden on the leagues, they don't want to piss guys off and be the first because people whine and we all giggle when we shoot something insanely fast. Everyone is standing around looking for someone to pick up the ball, knowing that someone should do it, but knowing the first single person or small group is going to get pummeled for trying.

I guess you see that I'm grasping at straws but I'm learning. I think I'm beginning to buy your concept of a ROF/FPS chronograph coupled with a ROF cap and tough, consistently-applied penalties. But this has to be thought through and would obviously require some rule changes.

I/we might be the first to pick up the ball because we have a different political enviroment regarding the different European nations and their laws. I think things are much more fragile here in those regards. Italy has already effectively banned PB and Germany has severe restrictions, at least nominally.

Perhaps we don't have as much manufacturer pressure either.

Even as insignificant as our market is here compared with North America we can still set standards and lead the way. And I think you see a will to "pick up the ball". And we'll see if I survive the next few months because I'm not going to stand by and wait for a double-blinding or see my refs get pummeled while doing their jobs.

Maybe it sounds hopelessly romantic but we just might by some means show the PB world how beautiful PB is without all the excessive cheating and grey-area pushing, both in playing the game and in the technical areas.

Sign me up for a prototype.

Steve

 

[Wadidiz]

So here's what I'm beginning to visualize until someone comes along and shoots it down with some points I've overlooked:

1. We get equipped with the super-chronos that accurately measure ROF and FPS and we learn how to use them properly.

2. We announce that we will enforce a ROF cap at, say, 15 BPS effective beginning first tournament Season 2005.

3. We do a check of all guns going onto the fields before each teams' first game and only allow those guns that pass onto the fields.

4. We spot check at least three guns per team during the game.

5. We apply severe penalties to violators.

6. Players/teams will realize that they will have to take their responsibility--along with manufacturers, suppliers and techs--to GUARANTEE that their guns don't get them into hot water.

7. The probable effect (it ain't gonna be popular): players will realize that old-tech hoppers like VL Revvies combined with their guns' anti-chop systems will actually help them comply to the new rules.

8. Tournament PB will run much smoother because a time-consuming, controversial problem will have been eliminated.

9. Team money will be freed up to spend on other things like more practice, air-ball kits, more paintballs or more tourneys.

Now, I'm girding my grids for some heavy blasts.

Steve

 

[Jack Wood]

Hi

Sorry to jump in late on this, but Manike, you were quick to point out Wadidiz spelt your name wrong, but I didn't see the post where you also pointed out you didn't invent the Halo!!
I think Tex might have something to say about that.

So would you or Bob be going along to this meeting as National/Intimidator rep?

Jack

 

[Jack Wood]

But in point 2, are you implying that 15bps is the limit, but how you achive that is irrelevent. ie, enhanced trigger modes?
I still cant see how you are going to make sure that 1 pull equates to 1 shot etc

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Jack Wood
But in point 2, are you implying that 15bps is the limit, but how you achive that is irrelevent. ie, enhanced trigger modes?
I still cant see how you are going to make sure that 1 pull equates to 1 shot etc

Thanks Jack,

Old business: if I misunderstood Simon STEVENS's role in the development of the Halo B, I apologize.

To your point here: You're right, that's the first thing I overlooked here. One shot per trigger cycle is very important because no matter how slow the ROF, a gun putting out extra shots per trigger cycle is unsafe and we definitely want to stop that. So I suppose we have to get our robot to check for that but by the time we grab a gun and put it on the robot the "mode" may have shut itself off.

Somehow we need a compact, portable device able to spot-check during a game ROF + FPS + ROF v trigger activation.

Wish us luck!

Steve

POST EDIT: However, if the ROF is capped to 14 or 15 then I don't think there will be as much incentive to cheat one's way up to the max. Nevertheless it must be seen as illegal and must be penalized.

SM

 

[TJ Lambini]

Oooh - two of tha world's leading techno-boffins and Jack Wood p ) on tha same thread - here's your summit Wadidiz. You got Planet, Evil and National Paintball all round tha same cyber table...it's like the UN in tha good old days. You ain't gonna get a better chance than this to get yo bad self on tha right track.

I am dressed as Kofi Annan to celebrate this historic occassion.

Pray continue gentlemen.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Wadidiz

POST EDIT: However, if the ROF is capped to 14 or 15 then I don't think there will be as much incentive to cheat one's way up to the max.

Why not?? ever set an Angel LCD to 15 bps and try and hit it?? I bet the most you could hit was around 11-12 bps.

Also who's going to make and pay for rof capped boards for all the markers out there?

Paul

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Paul Collier
Why not?? ever set an Angel LCD to 15 bps and try and hit it?? I bet the most you could hit was around 11-12 bps.

Also who's going to make and pay for rof capped boards for all the markers out there?

Paul

I can do better than that one my Speed, legally, and I'm old and decrepit, but that's another matter.

So you think players will risk getting suspended and having their games forfeited for 2 or 3 BPS? (My answer: Agreed. Maybe so.) So some eggs have to be cracked.

As I pointed out, you can use a slow hopper to keep your ROF down. But if there is a demand for capped boards then a supply will come. Who will pay for it? All the same people who have shelled out bucks to "enhance" their ROF and FPS. Nobody twisted their arms to invest in the contraband in the first place. Where there's a way there's a will.

I'm not sure where you're going with this? Do you think people are going to stay away in droves from a series because we want to protect our eyes, brains and skin? And because we don't want the whole shootin' match to get banned over here?

I'm not the hancho here but I, personally, would rather have a league I'm involved in do what it takes to be reasonable regarding these matters and let the others go to hell in a handbasket. I'd MUCH rather play and work on a field where I don't have to worry as much for my eyesight or a brain-concussion than otherwise.

Steve

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
I can do better than that one my Speed, legally, and I'm old and decrepit, but that's another matter.

So you think players will risk getting suspended and having their games forfeited for 2 or 3 BPS? (My answer: Agreed. Maybe so.) So some eggs have to be cracked.

As I pointed out, you can use a slow hopper to keep your ROF down. But if there is a demand for capped boards then a supply will come. Who will pay for it? All the same people who have shelled out bucks to "enhance" their ROF and FPS. Nobody twisted their arms to invest in the contraband in the first place. Where there's a way there's a will.

I'm not sure where you're going with this? Do you think people are going to stay away in droves from a series because we want to protect our eyes, brains and skin? And because we don't want the whole shootin' match to get banned over here?

I'm not the hancho here but I, personally, would rather have a league I'm involved in do what it takes to be reasonable regarding these matters and let the others go to hell in a handbasket. I'd MUCH rather play and work on a field where I don't have to worry as much for my eyesight or a brain-concussion than otherwise.

Steve

With your speed set to a max rof of 15bps?? hmmmm.

I don't proclaim to have the answers, wish I did!

Thing is a lot of players haven't paid money se pas for enhanced rof's but alot of markers don't have the ability to cap the rof not with eyes enabled anyway, I know you can't with WAS boards and as far as I'm aware the same is true for eblade boards and frenzy boards, can't remember about Angel boards as I've never wanted to cap my rof with anti chop enabled.

Paul