From what Jim was saying the new software, as it filters out for all the WAS boards, does have a ROF cap option, since we're not the only people rumbling about restrictions.
Proposal for a summit about keeping markers legal
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While you are correct about the ROF cap, most boards have reprogram options now, and older ones can dial up the bounce filters to slow them down.
Biggest point, since I am playing catch up, is instead of taking guns, trying to read programs etc etc, a cap and a way to check is the easiest to enforce. I hate watching chrono kids deem who has a cheating board and who doesn't, a complete waste of time. And for those who haven't seen it, the Dynasty Debate Team that appears anytime one of their guns is questioned further slows the games and is painful to watch.
Reprograms and future boards can be made to comply.
Wadidiz, I very much agree with your observations. If anyone can get this started its MS.
Jack, long time no see, congrats on the success of the eblade.
I am going to work on a handheld radar chrono/directional mic combo. At least get some prelim quotes, but that will take some time.
Since this board has a few intelligent commentators, I have nearly completed my other pet project, markerfax, a free gun registration on line for the better tracking of ownership of markers. Its off subject but I paid my own money to get this rolling just to see it happen. As company's will see it politically motivated, I hope you all keep it in the back of your head once it breaks, please honestly evaluate it and I hope it is embraced.
peace
Biggest point, since I am playing catch up, is instead of taking guns, trying to read programs etc etc, a cap and a way to check is the easiest to enforce. I hate watching chrono kids deem who has a cheating board and who doesn't, a complete waste of time. And for those who haven't seen it, the Dynasty Debate Team that appears anytime one of their guns is questioned further slows the games and is painful to watch.
Reprograms and future boards can be made to comply.
Wadidiz, I very much agree with your observations. If anyone can get this started its MS.
Jack, long time no see, congrats on the success of the eblade.
I am going to work on a handheld radar chrono/directional mic combo. At least get some prelim quotes, but that will take some time.
Since this board has a few intelligent commentators, I have nearly completed my other pet project, markerfax, a free gun registration on line for the better tracking of ownership of markers. Its off subject but I paid my own money to get this rolling just to see it happen. As company's will see it politically motivated, I hope you all keep it in the back of your head once it breaks, please honestly evaluate it and I hope it is embraced.
peace
Re: Hi Steve
Damn you, i came on here to avoid doing revision for visual perception exam next week.
Hey Mr WoodsOriginally posted by Jack Wood
Sorry to jump in late on this, but Manike, you were quick to point out Wadidiz spelt your name wrong, but I didn't see the post where you also pointed out you didn't invent the Halo!!
I think Tex might have something to say about that.
Did you miss this bit?As for Tex, yes he might do, but then the fact of the lawsuit with BE means he might not do... Chris Goddard may also have something to say, I'll ask him when I sit down with him tomorrow over a beer. I didn't design that version of the Halo but I sure as hell did invent the force feed principle it uses as can be seen by the fact my patent 6109252, is the first of the patents on the Halo B, as can be seen by that nice little sticker inside the battery compartment. I didn't want to get into it over Steve's post because the whole situation is complicated and not something I normally talk about. Did I design that Halo B? No. Was I first to invent the principle of how it works? Yes.
Fair enough?
Ledz is going to hate this one...
Playing catch up due to the fun time zones thing...
If you don't stop the cheats and extra shots and velocity issues you will NEVER find me in favour of a ROF cap.
Whatever rof limit you set, people will still have an incentive to cheat up to it.
What about mechcanical guns? How do you cap them?
What about an autococker? If I can put it on a robot and have it fire over your cap is it illegal? Even if the user can't realistically do that on the field?
Woot! My RT is gonna make another comeback... I promise no accidental discharges no ramping rof and no ramping velocity... but a machine gun none the less.
A test for trigger pull in length and weight is one of the better ideas to stop accidental discharges and accidents, and to stop some of the bounce problems. I suggested an easy 'drop test' previously but it could be simply expanded to be more encompassing.
Playing catch up due to the fun time zones thing...
Exactly the point why a ROF limit is absolutely useless if you still can't stop the cheats/cheating.
If you don't stop the cheats and extra shots and velocity issues you will NEVER find me in favour of a ROF cap.
You have to be kidding. When you get the real chrono and find that most fast guys aren't even currently hitting 15bps you might want to rethink that statement.
Whatever rof limit you set, people will still have an incentive to cheat up to it.
No, you just think you can... ever shot over a REAL ballistics chrono? You might be suprised.
Not by any means. And those that do are often lieing through their hind teeth. Make no mistake if such a thing were to be implemented EVERYONE would need a new board, and suddenly some manufacturers/board suppliers would have to suck up and admit they may not have been quite so honest about their ROF figures...
What about mechcanical guns? How do you cap them?
What about an autococker? If I can put it on a robot and have it fire over your cap is it illegal? Even if the user can't realistically do that on the field?
Woot! My RT is gonna make another comeback... I promise no accidental discharges no ramping rof and no ramping velocity... but a machine gun none the less.
Ours are 80g IIRC. It also depends on your trigger geometry, the weight of your trigger, the weight of the gun, the recoil etc...
A test for trigger pull in length and weight is one of the better ideas to stop accidental discharges and accidents, and to stop some of the bounce problems. I suggested an easy 'drop test' previously but it could be simply expanded to be more encompassing.
I agree completely, it's often just a joke. It would be easier to pass with a cheater board than with a non cheater one...
Excellent, it's something I've been toying with for quite a while now (as TJ can verify) but it's not something that is a quick project or cheap to finance.
I will indeed verify that Manike has got a wicked-smart idea which, if he gets it going, could solve an unholy amount of problems...if tha will was there (and tha money) it would stop velocity cheats in one fell, foolproof, swoop.
See here is where I tire of these discussions.
1. You have to pick the lesser of evils
2. You need to be able to do a quick NON-biased check.
Stay focused here.
If you set a Limit and you check for said limit in the heat of 'battle' when your RT runs away, you get pulled.
Your yippity do da board throws in two many extra shots , you get pulled.
So you have to slow down your loader, board, bounce filter or heavy up your trigger spring, too bad.
A robot can shoot your gun faster? who cares. I am saying you enforce what is enforceable. Yes a ROF cap isn't easy. But a directional mike will do a trick and spotting for out and out full auto can be done, so if they cheat to get to 15 I don’t care, the cheating and getting to 22 sucks, if my calculations are right somewhere between 22-24 makes it impossible for a 1 foot wide person to get through a lane at nfl speeds (4.3 forty).
As far as light triggers I find it boggling that I design mech layouts for triggers to be light as possible which help guns shoot faster BUT with out a soft ware 'help' we never get them over 15 but omens (capped at 15) are pulled and the original pimps were deemed to mech bouncy while the guys 'other' guns walked on the field with ramping software. Sorry guys, I have to see an argument that gets me a way from an enforceable cap.
I also hope everyone doesn’t go off on tangents and remembers we all played on the circuits, and I thought we were looking for what can knuckle head, half drunk, half high, mostly lackadaisical kids check for unbiasedly?
1. You have to pick the lesser of evils
2. You need to be able to do a quick NON-biased check.
Stay focused here.
If you set a Limit and you check for said limit in the heat of 'battle' when your RT runs away, you get pulled.
Your yippity do da board throws in two many extra shots , you get pulled.
So you have to slow down your loader, board, bounce filter or heavy up your trigger spring, too bad.
A robot can shoot your gun faster? who cares. I am saying you enforce what is enforceable. Yes a ROF cap isn't easy. But a directional mike will do a trick and spotting for out and out full auto can be done, so if they cheat to get to 15 I don’t care, the cheating and getting to 22 sucks, if my calculations are right somewhere between 22-24 makes it impossible for a 1 foot wide person to get through a lane at nfl speeds (4.3 forty).
As far as light triggers I find it boggling that I design mech layouts for triggers to be light as possible which help guns shoot faster BUT with out a soft ware 'help' we never get them over 15 but omens (capped at 15) are pulled and the original pimps were deemed to mech bouncy while the guys 'other' guns walked on the field with ramping software. Sorry guys, I have to see an argument that gets me a way from an enforceable cap.
I also hope everyone doesn’t go off on tangents and remembers we all played on the circuits, and I thought we were looking for what can knuckle head, half drunk, half high, mostly lackadaisical kids check for unbiasedly?