Oooooh!! Dynasty FA Scandal!!
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I'm sorry, but you're totally wrong.... I#m a marshall of that Evil Field and was right next to my teammate, that made the decision of given the 1-4-1... Ryan was shot, he was watching who shots him, the marshall took off his armband and was just touching his shoulder and telling him to leave the field quickly... Ryan was so angry, he was saying (originally) "don't ****ing touch me" and he throws his arm in the marshall's direction.... that's why he got the 1-4-1 ... I was just standing 5 meters away from that situation, everybody who says something else ist absolutely wrong, no spectator was so near like we marshalls... after the game, Ryan was sorry about the situation, we have spoken to him, and he knewed, that he will see us in the finals once again....
bouncing: the marshall who gave the 1-4-1 was also the "technical judge" of Evil Field and in the Finals on the Draxxus Field... he had the magical touch... we (him and me) found so many guns with bounce, most of them were Angels, Shockers03, Impulse (most of them were TonTon Guns) and Eblades... some of the guns had a little bouncing, but there were some guns with really hardcore-bounce... after a couple of minutes testing, the ultimate judges came over and were saying: let them all on the field and play... I don't know why, but other Ultimates would have sayed: no way dude, you won't play with this gun!
But don't think that it was only Dynasty that had Gun probs.... ask the TonTons.... I think at least, they played with just 2 of their guns, and the other 5 guns weren't of them, they got them from other players from other temas, they played with Angels and Shockers too.... I don't know if there are pica availlable, but it was very funny....
Also: Arseanl has had bouncing guns in the finals too.... everybody was saying "crazy" or "that's no marshall nor he's from this world, incredible"..... all the spectators saw the magical touch of technical judge, some people were saying: why does he try to bounce an Angel, an Angel will not bounce.... the spectators were wrong, the Angel was nearly Full Auto!
1--I ain't gonna kick a man while he's down. Again.
2--No, how bout some particulars? Just what were the circustances that saw a TonTon banned? Way Rodney explained the Millennium game was Alex had the team walk, so how do they equate?
3--probably, but as the very vocal point man for rules enforcement you gotta see how this looks. In this particular instance where was the problem? Was it the rules, the scrutineer, the teams or the confluence of power, influence and Sport? (Ouch. Sorry, had to ask)
4--back to the old itty bitty bouncey gun theory, eh?
5--what is reasonable is the uniform application of all current rules. If that didn't happen it wasn't a failure of the rules but a failure of the will to enforce them.
6--last time I checked nobody was paying me for my pball insight except for the bread crusts the PGi gnomes toss my way.
Even so, try this idea on for size and see what you think.A--is anything really wrong with the trigger testing procedure that exists now (except we know they can't catch everything)?
B--were the scrutineer's used chosen in advance and did they exhibit an ability to effectively examine most markers?
If you're prepared to answer A, no, and B, yes, then the problem, if you want to call it a problem, is the variances that may exist between the skills of scrutineers performing the same tests.
Option C: Appoint one (1) scrutineer and make it abundantly clear that all appropriate penalties will be enforced for any markers that fail an examination by the scrutineer. That means the scrutineer makes random checks including the occasional stoppage prior to or during the 10-second warning. Further, have the field ultimates note suspect teams or players and the scrutineer can make a point of "randomly" checking their next game. And in order to help out the players make the scrutineer available for a period of time on field-walking day and during assigned times during the event where he would check guns without penalty so teams or players would know when their guns were compliant.
Option D: Similar to C except there's a scrutineer for each field in play and all scrutineers are available to test guns on field-walking day. After all, umpires in baseball apply the same set of rules but have variations in the strike zone they call. Same here, if all scrutineers operate the same way there will remain some variance but as long as the players have the option to ensure their guns are okay they've got no reason to complain if they cut the line too closely.
i think
it would be reasonable not to give a PRO team
30 minutes or more to get their guns tournamentlegal
lower division teams weren't given that courtesy
and rightfully so
but i really don't see a reason why PRO's would receive a special treatment like that
>>The guy with the magic fingers was able to get most of the markers to bounce at least a little and he caught some that were blazing too. Since almost any electro can be made to bounce given enough time to find the spot, I decided to continue with the Millennium trigger test with a different person and focus more on the blazing turbo stuff and clearly illegal things that could give a player a real advantage during games. Even if they didn't induce as much bouncing as the other guy they still caught some others that needed adjusting.
We will make the rules clearer and we will have our procedures right from the start at the next tournament.
I would certainly like to hear any suggestions on how we can begin to get better control of this in our rules and procedures.
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second
maybe train other scrutineers to learn the trick of the trade
from the "MagicFingerKid"
and have a team of scrutineers check weapons of people who are willing to have their guns tested at the same day when field walking is possible, if your gun bounces u know what to do and what to expect from the check at the chronostation
if a gun bounces during the tournament
checked by the same scrutineer(s) at the chrono
you are able to still change the gun if time permits
if not too bad, one less gun up in the field
edit : my post sounds like a Baca Loco echo
[ EDIT ADDED: BaddahBoom obviously is a smart fella and ought to be listened to. The Fun Police ]
it would be reasonable not to give a PRO team
30 minutes or more to get their guns tournamentlegal
lower division teams weren't given that courtesy
and rightfully so
but i really don't see a reason why PRO's would receive a special treatment like that
>>The guy with the magic fingers was able to get most of the markers to bounce at least a little and he caught some that were blazing too. Since almost any electro can be made to bounce given enough time to find the spot, I decided to continue with the Millennium trigger test with a different person and focus more on the blazing turbo stuff and clearly illegal things that could give a player a real advantage during games. Even if they didn't induce as much bouncing as the other guy they still caught some others that needed adjusting.
We will make the rules clearer and we will have our procedures right from the start at the next tournament.
I would certainly like to hear any suggestions on how we can begin to get better control of this in our rules and procedures.
<<
second
maybe train other scrutineers to learn the trick of the trade
from the "MagicFingerKid"
and have a team of scrutineers check weapons of people who are willing to have their guns tested at the same day when field walking is possible, if your gun bounces u know what to do and what to expect from the check at the chronostation
if a gun bounces during the tournament
checked by the same scrutineer(s) at the chrono
you are able to still change the gun if time permits
if not too bad, one less gun up in the field
edit : my post sounds like a Baca Loco echo
[ EDIT ADDED: BaddahBoom obviously is a smart fella and ought to be listened to.
The Fun Police ]
What do the NPPL/PSP do in these situations?
I'm loving this... finally something interesting to discuss... Winter seemed sooo long this year...
onto my guff... erm... why do we never seem to hear too much on these boards (or others that I can find) about bouncy/FA guns from the NPPL/PSP? Do they just not check? Do they tolerate it? Is it a problem? if so, how much of a problem? What procedures do they have in place? do they adhere to the rules and subsequent disciplinary action as layed out in the respective rulebooks with respect to fireing mode infringements?
It certainly seems that they have things alot more under control over there than over here (again, just because we don't hear alot about it - which in my line of work (software support) is a good sign)
... ignoring the robot for a second (as I understand it was only under trials at HB this year...), couldn't the MS just do what they do on the other side of the Atlantic?
Dunc...
I'm loving this... finally something interesting to discuss... Winter seemed sooo long this year...
onto my guff... erm... why do we never seem to hear too much on these boards (or others that I can find) about bouncy/FA guns from the NPPL/PSP? Do they just not check? Do they tolerate it? Is it a problem? if so, how much of a problem? What procedures do they have in place? do they adhere to the rules and subsequent disciplinary action as layed out in the respective rulebooks with respect to fireing mode infringements?
It certainly seems that they have things alot more under control over there than over here (again, just because we don't hear alot about it - which in my line of work (software support) is a good sign)
... ignoring the robot for a second (as I understand it was only under trials at HB this year...), couldn't the MS just do what they do on the other side of the Atlantic?
Dunc...
Baddah, that seems the most sensible suggestion yet... have a team of equally well trained scrutineers test guns for those who want them testing prior to the event to make sure that their setup is deemed acceptable prior to the event starting. Then it's all up to the individuals, and no bitching can ensue. Superb.
i think there wont be a need to go full auto if only the rules were inforced strictly! so nobody would have their triggers come near bouncing ever cos they know they'd have to start short on guns if they get caught.
thats all, i'd say
thats all, i'd say
What do the NPPL/PSP do in these situations?
Checking/not checking? It's a fine line.
They say not.
Of course.
How big is a battleship?
No one has yet figured out how to make it seem like the situation is under control so it is mostly ignored or in the case of the PSP, is being studied, and in the NPPL, watch out for Robbie (the Robot)
Now you're just having me on.
Then it's working better than I thought.
Everybody else is too.
Your not looking in the right places?
Checking/not checking? It's a fine line.
They say not.
Of course.
How big is a battleship?
No one has yet figured out how to make it seem like the situation is under control so it is mostly ignored or in the case of the PSP, is being studied, and in the NPPL, watch out for Robbie (the Robot)
Now you're just having me on.
Then it's working better than I thought.
Everybody else is too.
I was talking to poster above that post, snoop...Originally posted by Gadget
No ta, they wouldn't go with the popcorn I'm munching watching this train wreck of a thread.
Hmmph. Reading this kinda weirds me out . I mean, the whole squealing like a stuck pig thing over a ref enforcing the rules...
Why, just this past weekend Baca Loco himself nailed me for a 25 point penalty for a seriously hot gun (Damned Evil paint and Damned me for not checking my gun after it warmed up)...the result? I took the hit on my team's score, treated the ref with the respect he deserved and corrected my marker's issue. What's so tough about that? Granted, I'm no pro, but what's the dif?
For the record, it was an Adrenalin Angel
[EDIT ADDED: You're just lucky I didn't check you for trigger bounce. ]
Why, just this past weekend Baca Loco himself nailed me for a 25 point penalty for a seriously hot gun (Damned Evil paint and Damned me for not checking my gun after it warmed up)...the result? I took the hit on my team's score, treated the ref with the respect he deserved and corrected my marker's issue. What's so tough about that? Granted, I'm no pro, but what's the dif?
For the record, it was an Adrenalin Angel
[EDIT ADDED: You're just lucky I didn't check you for trigger bounce.
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