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Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Originally posted by Manning26
I'm afraid we'll keep circling around that. I simply think an X-Ball match could be interesting to a regular person, shown in its entirety, like a football game, and you don't seem to think people would get it. Is that where we're at?
No, I think people will have zero difficulty with understanding the game and it's basics, I just think that they'd get really bored with it real soon. Has nothing to do with giving the avarage Joe credit or not, it has nothing to do with intelligence, but rather with having a plethora of stuff that is far more entertaining to watch, albeit they may not be as much fun to play.
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Originally posted by Wadidiz
Thanks for using me as an example of entertaining PB.

All it takes is for someone to tell me they're going to photo or video it. Or give me a new gun.

(I actually didn't land on my face in Amsterdam; I landed on my gun which slapped me in the face and knocked my goggles off.)
You are quite welcome sir. It was after all an awesome thing to see.
 
**** the bed, did i just start a world war at PGI towers.

Paintball DVD's do not sell in the millions. Paintballers are not sponsored by major clothing and drinks companies.

In the majority of paintball videos all the viewer really sees is a montage of very exciting and flashy clips. They look great and they sound brilliant. Of the 30mins of highlights from games you get to see, how many do you actually see in their entirerity? Hundreds of minutes are copped into a few quick seconds of action. Paintball has a great human side, their are any nmber f great personalities waiting to be captured. BUT paintball is not going to be watched as an entire game, start to finish.

The investment won't come because Joe Public demands it. Companies will find us and then TV will be drawn in by the promise of this major finance.

Get real and see past the fact tat we want OUR sport to be te next big thing.
 
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Originally posted by Manning26
1) With the quality of those things nowadays I'd be more worried about you slapping me with it that slicing.

2) I have some inside info' that probably wouldn't be great to put up on a public forum... and actually, it isn't anything you don't know.

3) I knew it. You buckle, like a belt.

Come on, give me the run-down... is it Jay's stick theory, is that what it is?
1. Oh, it's sharp alright...

2. Mail me

3. As Jay says, "No, I think people will have zero difficulty with understanding the game and its basics, I just think that they'd get really bored with it real soon. Has nothing to do with giving the avarage Joe credit or not, it has nothing to do with intelligence, but rather with having a plethora of stuff that is far more entertaining to watch, albeit they may not be as much fun to play."

I race mountain bikes, XC mountain biking is in the olympics, it is a huge sport, far bigger than Paintball and, if you accept Nick's F1 scenario - has an even bigger audience (everyone can ride a bike). It died a death on TV. Just didn't work. Nowhere near as much fun to watch as to do.

What makes it onto TV? Freeride and DH stuff - gnarly 20 foot log drops, huge air, mental technical sections - all in small, bite size chunks. Paintball should aim for the same, not trad match coverage but magazine style coverage of great moves, some talking heads stuff and so on...
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Jeeez

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
1) I think Manning could use some help here.... because Jay just thrives on playing the devils advocate.....

2) I'M WITH MANNING !

(Jay - sometimes the cup IS half FULL ;))

3) The target audience for a paintball tv show, is the people that have tried playing paintball..... and they number what ? - 50 million people - or something ? - And the number just keeps growing.

ANYONE who has ever played a game of paintball, will be able to appreciate the skill level of the best players in our sport.....

4) YES - it IS a valid point that it would help paintball, if the paint shot was visible to spectators and viewers..... and it doesn't take that much to accomodate that need.... dark surface, dark baricades, light/white paint.... job done.... provided the cameras used are set up for high speeds.

5) Take Formula 1 racing for example.... Yes, a lot of people watch it hoping to see a crash... but when poled, the majority of the viewers that sit through 2-3 hours of cars running around and around and around, with not much exitement going on, watch it because they can relate to someone driving a super car very fast and with skill..... because the viewers have drivers licenses.

6) Also, it is extremely unnuanced to think tv coverage just changes everything overnight... it doesn't.... putting paintball on tv will create a steady growth of both the sport and the audience... the two go hand in hand.

Fields will see an increase in business, from people that have watched the sport on tv and want to try it, and in turn, the audience will grown, and so on......

TV will not revolutionise the sport over night - it will add to the already tremendous growth our sport is seeing (still the fastest growing sport on the planet).

For the players, it will mean a just as steady increase in their markedability and worth, and big bucks will not be lining their pockets overnight.... it will happen gradually.

Nick
1) Devil's advocate? Me? Never! ;)
2) Booooh!:D
3) Agreed. But you'll also agree that appreciating someone's skill does not equal finding watching those skills in action entertaining.
4) Highly visible paint (almost fluorescent if possible) would dramatically improve watchability (new word for the day) dramatically. Agreed.
5) I think you misinterpret the reason why people watch F1. I don't watch it. To me it is indeed a bunch of cars driving laps for a few hours. But to the dedicated viewers it is much more than that. They get all misty eyed watching some guys battle it out for a few yards, and there is a lot of that going on. If there wasn't, they'd just continuously show the guy in the lead. But they show the best juggling for position that's going on at that moment. In other words, they also only focus on the stuff worth showing, and some of us don't even get excited over that.
6) Couldn't agree any more with you.

You may notice that I only really differ in opinion in a small degree. If they manage to make paintball a more visible game, it would have far more potentialon tv, we even agree on that. All I'm saying is that in it's current form it won't be that interesting to most people. It would the difference between watching some dudes pointing sticks at eachother, and lines of "tracer bullets" ripping across the field, tearing into their targets.

Oh, and my cup is never half full, I always drain mine in one gulp. :D
 

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Duffy ?

Isn't mountain biking getting tv coverage at all ????

I have seen it recently both on ESPN, Eurosport and Sky Sports....... I believe.... ???

It may not be one of the big 4 (NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox).... but it IS on tv regularly ??

- Point being, that a little goes a long way.... because paintball IS afterall a marginal sport in this day and age.

Nick
 

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Jeeez

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
I think Manning could use some help here.... because Jay just thrives on playing the devils advocate.....

I'M WITH MANNING !

ANYONE who has ever played a game of paintball, will be able to appreciate the skill level of the best players in our sport.....

Nick
Really, anyone? I'd have thought Cammo and playing war would have been more appropriate.

Take away those players that have only ever played Rec / Customer paintball and your left with what a global audience of 100,000???

You'd be better off putting a Paintball based scenario gameshow on TV (oooops already been tried).

Apart from the diehards or newbies paintballs pretty boring to watch even for the initiated. Do that many tournament players buy or watch the DVDs, I don't and I know alot of others who don't either.

Tournament paintball has very little audience "hook", the rule makers are sanitising it far too much and it lacks an extreme edge. If the NXL is to make a success of next year, it has to up the ROF, increase the aggression and cultivate the darker image.
 

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Aaaahhh but Jay

I think you misinterpret the reason why people watch F1. I don't watch it. To me it is indeed a bunch of cars driving laps for a few hours. But to the dedicated viewers it is much more than that. They get all misty eyed watching some guys battle it out for a few yards, and there is a lot of that going on. If there wasn't, they'd just continuously show the guy in the lead. But they show the best juggling for position that's going on at that moment. In other words, they also only focus on the stuff worth showing, and some of us don't even get excited over that.
Your personal tastes do not factor into it dude ;)

The fact is that many millions of people watch Formula 1 on tv, and in excess of 250.000 people go to the events.

You and I could quickly agree it is boring to watch - and objectively it IS boring to watch.... Like you say "pointing a stick at someone" - you could also say "cars just driving around and around".

What makes it exiting to those many millions of people, is the psycological aspect.... the ability to relate, the appreciation of skills, based on having first hand knowledge with the sport yourself.

This is true for ANY sport..... in any sport, you will find very few viewers that have not played the sport themselves.... which is also why there is a direct correlation between a sports popularity in real life and on tv.

Yes, you may NOT have been on your High School football team, but you may then have played touch football with your friends in the park..... it is all about being able to relate... ALL entertainment is about that!

So - nope - I don't misinterpret why people watch Formula 1 ;)

Nick
 

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Really, anyone? I'd have thought Cammo and playing war would have been more appropriate.

Take away those players that have only ever played Rec / Customer paintball and your left with what a global audience of 100,000???
Why on earth would you take away players that have only played rec/customer paintball ?

It's like saying (staying with the analogy here) that only people that haven driven cars competitively, would watch Formula 1!

I have to disagree with your thoughts - because being able to relate to a tv show, is not about having been in EXACTLY the same circumstances..... it's about having been in circumstances that allow you to appreciate what is happening on the screen.... and anyone who has ever played a game of paintball, no matter under what circumstances, will be able to do that when watching.

Nick
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Aaaahhh but Jay

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Your personal tastes do not factor into it dude ;)

The fact is that many millions of people watch Formula 1 on tv, and in excess of 250.000 people go to the events.

You and I could quickly agree it is boring to watch - and objectively it IS boring to watch.... Like you say "pointing a stick at someone" - you could also say "cars just driving around and around".

What makes it exiting to those many millions of people, is the psycological aspect.... the ability to relate, the appreciation of skills, based on having first hand knowledge with the sport yourself.

This is true for ANY sport..... in any sport, you will find very few viewers that have not played the sport themselves.... which is also why there is a direct correlation between a sports popularity in real life and on tv.

Yes, you may NOT have been on your High School football team, but you may then have played touch football with your friends in the park..... it is all about being able to relate... ALL entertainment is about that!

So - nope - I don't misinterpret why people watch Formula 1 ;)

Nick
That's a rather longwinded way of saying you do agree with the rest of my observations :D
Whatever the reason people watch F1, you do agree they make an effort to show you only the worthwhile stuff, even when broadcast live?