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NSPL 19.03.06 - The STUPID new 141 Rule
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it's all about oppinions but believe me when i say that over the years i know when i'd been had.
No need to apologise
it's all about oppinions but believe me when i say that over the years i know when i'd been had.
Right guys after played that event and being 141'd myself i didnt feel the shot but hey i was shot and i played on so i got 141'd its right , but one thing i did notice was really strange not sure what game it was , it was a 2 v 1 , the player left runs up the snake gets shot takes the 2 other guys after he had been shot , both the players argue this point and the marshals ignore it , so he runs to get the flag , soon as he hangs it the marshals call 141 without even checking him known that he has been hit? , i think that was abit unfair to the whateva team it happened to , but i understand the reason behind this rule and guess we all have to adapt to it and check ourselves every 10 secs.
Paul.
Paul.
You miss the point – it was merely the fact that the Tigers got a rematch when one of their players was called for a ball that the opposition didn’t shoot… when we were rejected a rematch in the same instance. Although this has been cleared up now and put down to the marshal making a wrong call. Fair enough, as this reinforces the point that the marshals were making wrong calls.
Why are you taking this personally? This thread wasn’t started as an attack on individuals, it was a comment on the event as a whole. Especially on the way the new rule was bandied around like a new toy that had to be played with. Instead of calling people out because they had been hit, marshals were 1-4-1ing players instead. That’s not marshalling, that’s overkill.
QFT (WTF is AGG?).
To be honest, the replies to a thread are not the responsibility of the thread starter. If someone decides a thread can be used to slag someone off, that’s their problem – not whoever began the discussion. People want to knock Syd, that's up to them, it's not Nick G's fault. I'm sure everyone in the southhas a deep respect for Syd for what he's done, but this thread isn't just about the 141 rule, and it’s not just about the bad calls the marshals made either, it’s about both and how they’re going to work with each other. HERMITT had it right in his first post.Originally posted by Smally85
That way it would just be a disscussion about the somewhat annoying 141 rule as opposed to a chance for lots of people to jump on the back of a well run, well established and fair tournament series.
Understand what you were trying to do, just not the best way around it
Bob, with all this knowledge rattling around your head, you should post on here more often. Marshals were going crazy on one rule and not enforcing others. They may have only been minor rules that were overlooked, but they are still rules. Aside, I watched one guy get taken on his goggles, play on, a marshal came over, called him out and didn’t even 1-4-1 him. That guy should’ve been banned.
I think this is one of the best points raised so far. You notice you’ve been taken on your pack, hopper, squeegee, whatever – it’s somewhere where you can argue you didn’t know you’d been hit, so you can play on because the worst that can happen is you get a 1-4-1. What’s the punishment for playing on when it’s pretty obvious you’ve been taken, but in a controversial place? Worse than a 1-4-1? It’s a good gamble to take, because you can just say you didn't notice it. One side of the coin is that it’s going to actually encourage cheating.
Just keep encouraging the marshals to check you, and 1-4-1 them. Easy.
Without ubermarshals, we’re all just going to have to live with it. I suppose I can deal with it, as long as I get to shoot someone
Phil Ham once got his team 5/6-4-1nd because he kept on argueing, So the Refs the have always had this is in their remit to use. Use it freely, use it every time, it's not the use of, it's the abuse of,that worries me.
What i find strange about all of this is that players are allowed a margin of error with their techno tricked, tea making, all singing guns. That really are at the heart of the problem.
They can set their guns up, go to a field. Whereby it's found that the FPS is too high / It's ramping or whatever. Now they can alter it for that particular field (time permitting).
Why not just say, oh dear it's failed,bye bye,see you later ?
Why has the part of the random element of Refs decisions been removed but the Technical side still of the sport still have a margin for error ?
By that kind of arguement, shouldn't fat/slow/old players have a ten yard headstart at the break?
You beat me to it but i was going to use it with regard to the Lunch break
Originally posted by ollytheosteo
Sounds good to me
You beat me to it but i was going to use it with regard to the Lunch break
i was there marshalling at this event, and i only called one 1-4-1 and taht awas because the guy had been cyclopsed but still he intened to carry ion shooting. so i took him down aswell as the closest player. i think the rule is harsh. but at the end of the day, if you get hit, you feel or hear something. just call for a check it doesnt take much. if its hit on the pack you get the advantage as you cant tell. but its just trying to stop cheating and get people to play fairly. even with the rule some people still played onj even if it was an obvious.
Therein lies some of the problem though: A good, eperienced Ref IS capable of making those calls, and making them well - but those refs are rare these days, and players ARE taking advantage of that fact to get away with blue murder.
This rule takes away any doubt or hesistation from the Ref and lands the responsibility firmly at the feet of the player - you think you've been hit, sit tight and scream for a Ref to check you, do anything else and you run risk of a 1-4-1.
I completely agree - if you go to a field and you're hot or in the wrong fire mode, then you forfeit your gun for that game. No if's ands or but's (this time
).And you miss the point, the shot on one of the Tigers happened before the game had actually started - making it impossible to have been anything other than a stray shot from the other field.
Your guy had an alleged "knelt on ball" during the game making it entirely possible that he had been legitimately shot - that's not a fault of the new rule, as for that location of "hit" a 1-4-1 should be assessed anyway, and those kind of "wrong" calls have been happpening since paintball began - eh Ralph
Everyone keeps saying this and I am not getting into the Tigers/Riptide should they/shouldnt have restarted the game argument. However, why didnt the guy just clean his goggs?
What happened Mike was just after the 10 second call one of our players got hit on the side of his goggs. He shouted to the marshal who saw it and then followed him into his bunker off the break. However, instead of then wiping hte shot off, the marshal left it there. about 5 seconds later another marshal came running over from the other side of the field and called a 1 4 1 on our player for playing on. That is why the game was called void and replayed.