NSPL 19.03.06 - The STUPID new 141 Rule
- Thread starter Nick G
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Last year i was marshalling the NSPl this year snatch are back playing it. When i read the new rules which was coming in i was not 100% sure about them, and i went along to the marshall training day which syd was running this was to bush up on my marshalling but also to speak to syd about the new 1 4 1 rule i came away from that alot happer about the new rules and i could under stand it.
If you are a clean player who does not play on when hit this rule is not going to bother you one bit, It sames to be the players which have cheated in other tournaments by playing on when hit are the played having the problems with the new rules.
if you play by the rules then you not going to have any problems
Syd i know how hard you work at the NSPL to make it a good fun tournaments, thanks for a great day bud
Oli and the other marshalls thanks guys i know how hard it is out there doing that job and some times it can be a thankless job, you all did a great job out there ....... thank you.
Keep Safe
Nick
If you are a clean player who does not play on when hit this rule is not going to bother you one bit, It sames to be the players which have cheated in other tournaments by playing on when hit are the played having the problems with the new rules.
if you play by the rules then you not going to have any problems
Syd i know how hard you work at the NSPL to make it a good fun tournaments, thanks for a great day bud
Oli and the other marshalls thanks guys i know how hard it is out there doing that job and some times it can be a thankless job, you all did a great job out there ....... thank you.
Keep Safe
Nick
Originally posted by Stan
Nah - you only need 7 refs cos each ref takes two players off at a time...
All be over by lunch time sounds like my kinda event
right............. i was ade that got pulled for a little green bogey on my knee which i got one for oned for firstly if i was marshalling and i seen a guy sat in his bunker shooting his gun and he had a hit on him you would go over to him and say your gon on your hopper, head etc buddy.
What would you do??
if i was shot in the face doing a drive by FM!! and continued running and shot one or two guysa i could understand a marshall giving a one for one because that would off meant i was cheating but seeigns i wasnt even shot and i get one for one because of a paintball i slid onto the flooring behind the buker wernt swept where people reload with a over filled hopper and balls fall at your feat.
if your in a small brick bunker you on your knees all the time your knelt on about 30 balls constantly untill youmove i get on one knee judge must of seen the dribble and pulled me one for one im not gunna cry about it even though i wanted to yesterday the rule was abused and people were taking advantage of it at the end of the day...
If you shot someone and you no you seen it break was a definate hit it happens regularly people would start going chicken oriental "mental" hehe shouting 1for1 1for1 get him out etc etc the bloke knows hes been shot knackered trying to pull his barrel out of the mud just injured himself trying to bust his ass for his team judge does him with a 1for1 call before he gets a chance to stand up and walk off at the end of they day the 1for1 calls were too quick someone could of been shot not known about it a judge could spot the hit not knowing how long the hits been there and think F**K ME 1for1 done him straight away instead of just pulling that guy with the hit on him and the game can continue we arent cheaters so we shouldnt get treated like them... last thing 2 layers was harsh in the freezing cold but ican live with that
besides that good day! the games went quick and it went smoothly thx
Ady!
What would you do??
if i was shot in the face doing a drive by FM!! and continued running and shot one or two guysa i could understand a marshall giving a one for one because that would off meant i was cheating but seeigns i wasnt even shot and i get one for one because of a paintball i slid onto the flooring behind the buker wernt swept where people reload with a over filled hopper and balls fall at your feat.
if your in a small brick bunker you on your knees all the time your knelt on about 30 balls constantly untill youmove i get on one knee judge must of seen the dribble and pulled me one for one im not gunna cry about it even though i wanted to yesterday the rule was abused and people were taking advantage of it at the end of the day...
If you shot someone and you no you seen it break was a definate hit it happens regularly people would start going chicken oriental "mental" hehe shouting 1for1 1for1 get him out etc etc the bloke knows hes been shot knackered trying to pull his barrel out of the mud just injured himself trying to bust his ass for his team judge does him with a 1for1 call before he gets a chance to stand up and walk off at the end of they day the 1for1 calls were too quick someone could of been shot not known about it a judge could spot the hit not knowing how long the hits been there and think F**K ME 1for1 done him straight away instead of just pulling that guy with the hit on him and the game can continue we arent cheaters so we shouldnt get treated like them... last thing 2 layers was harsh in the freezing cold but ican live with that
besides that good day! the games went quick and it went smoothly thx
Ady!
Reason
Lets not forget the reason for the rule, " To return balance to the game". In short, to stop cheating. Therefore everyone 141'd in a sense is a cheat. I personaly don't want to branded that way for not feeling a clip on my pack. I know the rule on paper is simple, but life isn't black and white. Grey areas do exsist, and this is were marshall discretion should come in.
Lets not forget the reason for the rule, " To return balance to the game". In short, to stop cheating. Therefore everyone 141'd in a sense is a cheat. I personaly don't want to branded that way for not feeling a clip on my pack. I know the rule on paper is simple, but life isn't black and white. Grey areas do exsist, and this is were marshall discretion should come in.
Thats rather a large brush you've just tarred everyone with.
Which part of this are you not following
No one wants cheats, playing on/ wiping / breaking early or what ever.
You break early: Ref pulls you : you argue : he 1-4-1ns.
No Problem
You wipe : you get caught : 6-4-1 for all i care.
You get an obvious hit Ref sees it and you play on 1-4-1
No problem.
You get a hit : dont hear/see/ feel it and the Ref 'decides' a 1-4-1 . No problem.
You get a hit : dont hear/see/ feel it and the Ref 'HAS TO' 1-4-1 .
PROBLEM
Reason
People really need to get out of the frame of mind that this rule is aimed at punishing individuals, it's not, it's aimed at redressing the balance of the game.
Someone mentioned earlier a scenario where someone was hit in the pack on the way to their first bunker and them getting 141'd would be unfair as they werent even in the game long enough to influence it. But, look at it from the other team's point of view, they've legitimately eliminated the player, the player is now at his first bunker, gun up and shooting. He's preventing your team from making moves that the elimination should have opened up for your team. The 141 redresses this.
I dont see a problem with the rule and I certainly wont be complaining if i get pulled for it at some point. As long as it's implemented in a consistant way it will be fair. It will also stop people deliberately playing on as they know that no matter how well they pretend they didn't know about the hit, they're still going to get 141'd
How often do you hear that the marshal on the field made a bad call, and that they were bias because they play/played for the other team involved? Well, remove marshall discretion and you remove any chance of bias. Rules should be in black and white, especially if you do want paintball to develop into an actual sport.
People really need to get out of the frame of mind that this rule is aimed at punishing individuals, it's not, it's aimed at redressing the balance of the game.
Someone mentioned earlier a scenario where someone was hit in the pack on the way to their first bunker and them getting 141'd would be unfair as they werent even in the game long enough to influence it. But, look at it from the other team's point of view, they've legitimately eliminated the player, the player is now at his first bunker, gun up and shooting. He's preventing your team from making moves that the elimination should have opened up for your team. The 141 redresses this.
I dont see a problem with the rule and I certainly wont be complaining if i get pulled for it at some point. As long as it's implemented in a consistant way it will be fair. It will also stop people deliberately playing on as they know that no matter how well they pretend they didn't know about the hit, they're still going to get 141'd