NSPL 19.03.06 - The STUPID new 141 Rule

[ladyboy]

As a first time ref and being "inexperienced" i had the crash course and the rules were made abundantly clear and after i made decisions i put them to the experienced refs on the field to get some feedback, then on what they had advised i either carried on as normal or adjusted my style of reffing. But my point here is ive been playing for nearly 4 years and as a player in know what the refs are looking for, like body language (reaction to a percieved hit) Paint spray and the like. My positioning may need working on but that will come with experience, which can only be gained by reffing tourneys. As for doing training schools for refs, yeah in principle it sounds great but in previous jobs ive been working for people qualified to the hilt with certificates coming out of various orifices and know sweet FA!! Its the guys with hands on experience that are better than the unproven "qualified" ones. Syd told us with the 1-4-1 rule to always ref to the advantage of the player and use your discression. So if you were 1-4-1'd there will have been good reason for it. i had to do it on 3 occasions in the whole day and yes they were disgruntled with it but they didnt argue at all, and would like to thank those players and actually explain my descision if i could to them face to face, but its not always practical to do so on the day. Overall i felt for at least my part 1-4-1's an all that i did my best with the player in mind and the game in mind and not blindly 1-4-1ing people because of a new rule. Thanks for reading.

Joe

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by ladyboy
As a first time ref and being "inexperienced" i had the crash course and the rules were made abundantly clear ive been playing for nearly 4 years and as a player in know what the refs are looking for, like body language (reaction to a percieved hit) Paint spray and the like. My positioning may need working on but that will come with experience, which can only be gained by reffing tourneys. As for doing training schools for refs, yeah in principle it sounds great but in previous jobs ive been working for people qualified to the hilt with certificates coming out of various orifices and know sweet FA!! Its the guys with hands on experience that are better than the unproven "qualified" ones. Syd told us with the 1-4-1 rule to always ref to the advantage of the player and use your discression. So if you were 1-4-1'd there will have been good reason for it. i had to do it on 3 occasions in the whole day and yes they were disgruntled with it but they didnt argue at all, and would like to thank those players and actually explain my descision if i could to them face to face, but its not always practical to do so on the day. Overall i felt for at least my part 1-4-1's an all that i did my best with the player in mind and the game in mind and not blindly 1-4-1ing people because of a new rule. Thanks for reading.

This is one of the best posts i've read on this thread. Be carefull Ladyboy you'll get asked to ref again and again because as you do gain experience, you will gain respect. It is earnt not given

 

[Nick G]

Respect

Again, much respect to Ladyboy. A very well constructed thread, wise words spoken. To me, the key words were "marshalls discretion". This goes back to my previous thread about hits on the pack off the break. Thanks Ladyboy.

 

[pestilence]

Just from a pesonal view, i think it's a dumass rule - I agree with Ralph - leave it up to discrestion of the Marshalls.

Hits do get missed. On the break: if you start running, and say sweetspotting, I doubt very much that you are concentrating enough to feel, hear and acknowledge a hit on the pack. So therefor the very act of sweetspotting becomes a liability - especially if your fat and slow..!!

Next point - is that, just to be sure - as soon as your in your bunker after a move - you going to have to call a 'check' on yourself.. again just to get to those hard to reach places and make sure - so there the very act of moving becomes a liabliity..

Now with all that checking going on - everybody else not near a marshall can wipe to thier hearts content

Leave it to the Marshalls - thats what they are there for! sure they make bad calls - all refs do, in all sports. but this is just crazy, dont treat them all like morons, just 'cos a few are....

Stupid rule. End of.

 

[ladyboy]

Thanks for those kind words and i will be at the next brisol leg to ref. its a dirty job but someones got to do it.

 

[M1ke]

I think most of you are missing the point of this new rule. It is there to stop cheats. The type of cheats I mean are people that know they have just been hit (like its been said above, you do know at least 90% of the time) from just standing up and doing a run through in the hope to take at least one of the other team with them. From playing on sunday and the weekend before, this new rule is working and stopping that kind of cheating as no one is going to risk being 1 4 1ned if they are only likely to take one or none of the oposition with them.

This new rule will take people a lot of time to get used to, both marshalls and players, but you need to look at it as the next step in the progression of the sport.

Like it or lump it, its here to stay. So deal with it.

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by M1ke
I think most of you are missing the point of this new rule. It is there to stop cheats. The type of cheats I mean are people that know they have just been hit (like its been said above, you do know at least 90% of the time) from just standing up and doing a run through in the hope to take at least one of the other team with them. From playing on sunday and the weekend before, this new rule is working and stopping that kind of cheating as no one is going to risk being 1 4 1ned if they are only likely to take one or none of the oposition with them.

This new rule will take people a lot of time to get used to, both marshalls and players, but you need to look at it as the next step in the progression of the sport.

Like it or lump it, its here to stay. So deal with it.

How are we missing the point ?

The 1-4-1 rule has been around for at least 12 yrs to my knowlege and has not stopped people from playing on, one iota
(whatever an iota is )
No one has said that the 1-4-1 rule sucks but What about the other 10% of the time ? that's the bit that i'm unhappy with.
If you were playing ten games and one of them was affected by this rule then maybe fair enough but if it is 10% of every game that's a different matter.
Would you accecpt that from the manufacturer that your marker would go wrong 10% of the time or that in every box of paint you opened 10% would be crap ?

I agree with you that this will not go away. I've said so in an earlier post but that dont make it right

 

[pestilence]

Yea, and all it will do is make games slow and dull when people soon cotton on, that moving and shooting will get your team penalised.

There's nothing wrong with run throughs - they are the best bit on any game - Fast, exiting and guaranteed to the crowd interested. stupid 141 rule will make them go the way of the dinosoaur - yawn!

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by pestilence
Now with all that checking going on - everybody else not near a marshall can wipe to thier hearts content

You should've kept that to yourself

 

[ca$hnguns]

for anyone who honestly thinks this rule will stop cheating......wakey wakey!! its exactly the same as the other half wit rules been invented over the past two or three seasons! do you think the new millenium gun rules work? of course they bloody dont! full auto breakout modes are even easier to conceal now than ever!

141 does it stop cheating? no way what so ever all it does is penalise the teams that are crap at wiping and help the teams that are good, it makes the gap even bigger. the simple fact is if you are a crap ref you will enforce the rules wrongly regardless of what they are, if you are a good ref you will be in the money, cos sooner or later professionalising the refs will be the only way to professionalise this sport/hobby!

i mean at the NSPL in Ahsford they had a 15bps capped semi rule, who had their guns checked for ramp, FA, BPS or anything else? making rules you cannot uphold is ridiculous. i can just imagine a copper stopping me for speeding cos he thought i was doing 35mph in a 30....yeah right!