NSPL 19.03.06 - The STUPID new 141 Rule

[M1ke]

Originally posted by Ralph
How are we missing the point ?

The 1-4-1 rule has been around for at least 12 yrs to my knowlege and has not stopped people from playing on, one iota
(whatever an iota is )

Its been around to penalise people for what ever reason (Lets not get into what is worth a 1 4 1), one of them being playing on. The only difference now is that there is no 'self check zone'. Meaning in the past if you felt yourself get hit on the pack you could try a run through and when it was noticed be called out. Now when it is noticed you will be 1 4 1ed due to the fact that there is now no self check zone and therefore you are playing on. Hence it will help to stop the cheats that know they have just been hit, but instead of walking try a run through.

Originally posted by pestilence
pestilence
Yea, and all it will do is make games slow and dull when people soon cotton on, that moving and shooting will get your team penalised.

There's nothing wrong with run throughs - they are the best bit on any game - Fast, exiting and guaranteed to the crowd interested. stupid 141 rule will make them go the way of the dinosoaur - yawn!

Thats just being negative. Of course run throughs are still going to happen. The only difference now is that it will be a live player doing it and winning the game rather than a dead playing doing it and then walking off to the dead box.

I think that when this rule is fully understood and implemented properly it will work. It will cut out some of the cheating and make the games far more exciting to both play in and watch. As I said before, its just going to take people time to get used to the changes.

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by M1ke
Its been around to penalise people for what ever reason (Lets not get into what is worth a 1 4 1), one of them being playing on. The only difference now is that there is no 'self check zone'. Meaning in the past if you felt yourself get hit on the pack you could try a run through and when it was noticed be called out. Now when it is noticed you will be 1 4 1ed due to the fact that there is now no self check zone and therefore you are playing on. Hence it will help to stop the cheats that know they have just been hit, but instead of walking try a run through.

Now i am confused

I want the hit, run through players 1-4-1nd nay 2-3-4 -4-1nd.
I dont care. They made a choice,they took a chance, they pay the consequence. No problem

What about the 10 % stuff them is that it ?

 

[pestilence]

Thats just being negative. Of course run throughs are still going to happen. The only difference now is that it will be a live player doing it and winning the game rather than a dead playing doing it and then walking off to the dead box.

Wanna bet?

your 3:2 down, with the only chance run through - your gonna risk and blow the game?

Your 2 on 2, with the only chance run through - your gonna risk and blow the game?

Your 4 on 3, your gonna pull a run through?

Nuh uh! Follow the Math - suddeenly the way teams will win will be to sit an shoot, an shoot an shoot, and let the other team dash themselves to pieces - big yaaaaawn fest.

I may be negative, but not Naive.....

This is a draconian measure to stop something, which is arguably unstoppable - cheating an bias. If your gonna put effort in to do this - do it on the gun technology!

 

[Nick G]

Wise man

You are a wise man pestilence, its nice to find someone else who feels the same way about this topic as us. You have produced a lot of good points and given much food for thought.

 

[MrPink]

Originally posted by pestilence
Wanna bet?

your 3:2 down, with the only chance run through - your gonna risk and blow the game?

Your 2 on 2, with the only chance run through - your gonna risk and blow the game?

Your 4 on 3, your gonna pull a run through?

Nuh uh! Follow the Math - suddeenly the way teams will win will be to sit an shoot, an shoot an shoot, and let the other team dash themselves to pieces - big yaaaaawn fest.

I may be negative, but not Naive.....

This is a draconian measure to stop something, which is arguably unstoppable - cheating an bias. If your gonna put effort in to do this - do it on the gun technology!

Your arguement falls apart the second a n aggressively set-up field comes into the equation. You sit back on modern fields and you're going to get ripped apart everytime - the 1-4-1 rule doesn't come into it.

 

[Oli HPG]

Originally posted by MrPink
Your arguement falls apart the second a n aggressively set-up field comes into the equation. You sit back on modern fields and you're going to get ripped apart everytime - the 1-4-1 rule doesn't come into it.

True....

 

[Rabies]

I don't see that it'd stop the "clip on pack = runthrough" moves. The player gets up and does his runthrough, and by the time the marshals get to him he's already called himself out for all the other hits he's collected along the way, and they never find the one hit one his pack that he happens to have picked up before starting his move. The player may get 1-for-1'd for playing on with all the other hits, he may not. No change from the old rules. And if he's taken 3 or 4 out on his runthrough, a 1-for-1 would have been worth it for his team.

But that doesn't make it a bad rule, it just means it won't cure some of the more determined attempts to cheat.

 

[pestilence]

Yello Pinkie. thanks for the reply, I'm honoured

Mr. Rabies - CC05 was a blast wasn't it!!

The argument is not countered just by 'aggressive' fields - i.e a field full of bunkers, all it does is enable safer movement - which means that unless you have 100% safe path into a bunker you are still at risk of being shot, which means that every bump is potentially a check by a marshall - which costs momentum, and surprise and if your caught with a shot, two of your guys..... ipso facto....your gonna be alot more careful = yawnage.

Quite an intresting process if you think about it, as suddenly with this rule introduced, the emphasis on killing now falls back onto the back player, rather than leaving it to those killer fronts. not saying that is the case for all teams, but i bet if you come back in year, the domination of the NSPL will be by those safer teams that 'hang back', rather than the fun shoot and scoot ones....

(and FYI i'd put the tiggers in the latter)

 

[Ralph]

It's these sort of inflatable bunkers we need on fields

SUPER HERO

 

[Rabies]

Originally posted by pestilence
Mr. Rabies - CC05 was a blast wasn't it!!

Damn right, it's nice to just go and play for the hell of it and not have to try to hold a team together while you're at it

Originally posted by pestilence
Quite an intresting process if you think about it, as suddenly with this rule introduced, the emphasis on killing now falls back onto the back player, rather than leaving it to those killer fronts.

Here's a thought: you might start seeing something you've never seen before - back players calling their OWN front players out for pack hits they've seen but the player has missed.