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Originally posted by Chuck

I know all the Pro teams will be at these events, and I understand the T.V reasoning behind this. But look at what has happened this year with the NXL the locked league bleachers were empty in contrast to the open, which was what everyone did watch.
Yeh, but next season all tha real rock star ballers are in tha 18, so that won't happen...tha only reason people watched open rather than nxl was cos dynasty, xsv, infamous et al had more big names than the nxl teams put together.

Crowds follow names, NPPL has the names now, barring a handful. And it is a very small handful of big name ballers who ain't in it...and who knows how many may migrate across?
 

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Originally posted by Chuck
That match was the best time I've had on the paintball field ever! Pound for pound it was the best value too. We got to play the best team in the world for 40 mins how can that not be good. The squad we have had this season have been like those Kids punch balls, they get punched down and then they spring straight back up at you again, ready for more.
I know where you are leading me with this and you are right, we have got to find the money from somewhere to carry on competing at that sort of level. America is where it’s at with out a doubt, and that’s where our sights are set.

I just wanted to point out that a series based in America, with three or four Euro legs to entice teams like us to play may not lead us all to compete in the complete series. Paintball is not "the field of dreams" and just because you build it doesn't mean they will come. Maybe I am wrong in thinking that was the plan.
Takedown I disagree with you that lower Div teams don't go to big events to play big name teams, true some teams are in it for the series others it may be their once a year shot at a bit of giant killing. But with out the accessible big teams present it is the event that ends up getting marginalized (nice phrase Baca) not the teams.
I know all the Pro teams will be at these events, and I understand the T.V reasoning behind this. But look at what has happened this year with the NXL the locked league bleachers were empty in contrast to the open, which was what everyone did watch.
I wasn't trying to lead you Chuck, I was curious if you would come to this conclusion, but if you hadn't, no problem at all.

The way I see it, the lower tier div 1 teams in the US will have to shift into higher gear if they want to be regular contenders. There's nothing wrong with having a number of very powerful teams in division 1. Look at any other sport, the leagues that sit just underneath the top leagues such as NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB, Premier League (UK), Division A (Italy), etcetera are all good teams, some of which would be able to beat a good number of the top league teams on any given day.
Also keep in mind that you may well see a "slimmer" version of the heavy hitters that are now in division 1, particularly if the NXL continues to be a pipe dream. What I mean by this is that you may very well see a good number of the pro teams pick up players from the top teams that didn't make the cut. You think the boys on the Oakland squad or Entourage are happy playing anything but pro? I doubt they can keep the surplus players on Dynasty (whom in effect form Entourage) happy by having them play nothing but open Xball at PSP events. So we'd see a natural deterioration of the quality within these teams. This will even the playing field somewhat (but not totally). After a few seasons the teams that should really be in the pro ranks will be in the pro ranks, and the teams that get thrown out of the pro ranks may well see some turmoil, with their better players getting picked up by pro teams, and the rest finding their true home in division 1.

Also, I think we may well soon (before the end of 2005) see the first American names appear on the rosters of European teams that made the final 18, as fixed players, rather than guests (which may well be against the rules by then).

I doubt many Euro teams will compete in the NPPL series. They may well play the sanctioned events, but I think most will still compete within the European league, if only because of expenses.
After all, Hellwood have shown that Europe has some pretty good division 1 teams as well and can well make for an exciting league.

What I am curious about is what will teams such as the Ducks and Ignition be doing in 2005. Have these teams decided what they will be playing? Also, does anybody know what we CAN play next year anyway?
 

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How come the Mill Series has went from being the 'Paintball Worlds' premier Series to, by the sounds of things, a non-entity for Season 2005?
What of the Euro Events that are not linked to the NPPL? What 'banner' will these events be held under or will they be just 'Stand Alone' events?
 

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What I am curious about is what will teams such as the Ducks and Ignition be doing in 2005. Have these teams decided what they will be playing?
It kind of hard to say, as nobody REALLY knows what the options are yet.

We put our faith in X-Ball as the format of the future, and the assurances of the Millennium Series that it would be at least a 2 year thing (guaranteed spots in 2005 and so on).

At this point in time, it is still unclear if the Millennium Series will make good on those promises given in writing....... but if the rumour mill is right, it seems NPPL will be the only game worth while in in 2005.

If that is the case, I expect us to back the NPPL wholeheartedly.

Pure Promotions is in a situation, where there are teams beyond the top 18, that they really WANT to be in their top league, and that they know have the marketability and quality to be part of it..... but if they open that door, a lot of teams that have supported the NPPL in the past season but failed to qualify, will be extremely offended...... So they have a heavy descision to make, and are having to weigh their options carefully.

But - I have been around this sport for long enough, to know that a month from now - or 3 weeks before the first event - everything may look different, so time will show where we end up, and in the meantime we will keep our calm (Soeren is helping me calm down ;)).

The only thing that is frustrating at the moment, is that the lack of concrete information on the 2005 season, is making it a little difficult to make strategies for the coming season with our sponsors.

Nick
 

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Originally posted by Just Curious
What of the Euro Events that are not linked to the NPPL? What 'banner' will these events be held under or will they be just 'Stand Alone' events?
If they are held at all.... if an event isn't affiliated to a big series then promoters might well not bother. Remember a lot of the "small" events like Camp or Norway weren't really well attended ths year when they were part of a series - imagine if they weren't again.
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
It kind of hard to say, as nobody REALLY knows what the options are yet.

We put our faith in X-Ball as the format of the future, and the assurances of the Millennium Series that it would be at least a 2 year thing (guaranteed spots in 2005 and so on).

At this point in time, it is still unclear if the Millennium Series will make good on those promises given in writing....... but if the rumour mill is right, it seems NPPL will be the only game worth while in in 2005.

If that is the case, I expect us to back the NPPL wholeheartedly.

Pure Promotions is in a situation, where there are teams beyond the top 18, that they really WANT to be in their top league, and that they know have the marketability and quality to be part of it..... but if they open that door, a lot of teams that have supported the NPPL in the past season but failed to qualify, will be extremely offended...... So they have a heavy descision to make, and are having to weigh their options carefully.

But - I have been around this sport for long enough, to know that a month from now - or 3 weeks before the first event - everything may look different, so time will show where we end up, and in the meantime we will keep our calm (Soeren is helping me calm down ;)).

The only thing that is frustrating at the moment, is that the lack of concrete information on the 2005 season, is making it a little difficult to make strategies for the coming season with our sponsors.

Nick
Thanks for the response Nick.
I really do feel for you guys, seems like there is a lot of uncertainty at the moment.
 
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I had the pleasure of staying on in HB last week with a few of the guys and I can tell you there will be a NPPL euro div1 next year and that will lead to an opportunity to get promoted into the top 18 pro div.Cant stay much more really (although i Know loads more )so just sit tight cos the NPPL etc havent forgotten about us euros .:)
 

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Originally posted by Magued
1--I got a email with the issues that they want to discuss, so im semi prepered on those issues with the team.

2--Maybe we should look how the other legues are doing with the information meetings prior to the season? In the Millennium series we solved this issue by not having a meeting....

Magued
1--excellent. It might be helpful though if you clarified in what context you received this issues email. Was it as captain of one of The 18? Or a member of the board of the MS? Or just one of a few hundred team captains of teas that played a NPPL event sometime in the last year? I wonder how many other team captains received similar emails.

2--Does it really matter how other leagues do it? After all, the MS and PSP are operated for the benefit of their owners but the NPPL is the players league.

PS--good voting plan!
 

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Originally posted by Chuck

Sam I hope that the NPPL and PP do give a **** about the Euro Div1 teams.
Why though? Why would they when only 2 Euro Div 1 teams played in their league all year? Hellwood and Scalp. Nobody in their right mind would run the league with more concern for the small Euro contingent than it deserved.

It is called the NPPL. 'National'...... Not International, or Worldwide... It is an American league. They will look out for the American interest, and rightly so. The MS was focussed on the Euro interest as it should.

Originally posted by Chuck

Sam You have to remember that the majority of the local teams that enter major league events, do so to have a crack at the top teams. To test themselves once a year against the best. Now that the Pro league is locked and will be playing themselves, who are they going to look to? yep the Div1 teams because they are the only accesable ones.
Rubbish. I do not know one team who enters so they may get the chance to get smashed by the pros. Teams enter so that they can be part of a huge event, so that they can win, so that they can gain a place in the series. Not so they get 30 seconds against players who are far better than them. They will look up to the same people they did before, the pro teams.

Have you actually had it confirmed that the NPPL will run a totally separate league for the 18 pros? Has it been confirmed anywhere? At the moment it is just supposition. Untill it has been confirmed then it is not worth debating.

Originally posted by Chuck

Sam Of course teams should be encouraged there has to be light at the end of the tunnel, if not why bother. That probably is my point, the bias is more of a fiscal slant and I will have to find a way around it like I always do. But for those that cannot what is the point of doing the Euro Nppl events? that to me seems to be where the lost revenue comes in.
Teams in Euroland will do the Euro NPPL events because they will be the only series running. At the end of the day, if there are 4 NPPL events in Europe teams will play them. 90% of teams could not give a damn where they come in the series, as there were no series prizes last year, they played the events because paintball is their passion. Who runs them, or from where means nothing. Most of the teams at Toulouse, were French, most at CC were from the UK, most at Germany were German. Local teams will always make up the majority in NPPL Euro/MS events. They will not care if they can play the NPPL. No teams (including yours) were bothered about not playing the NPPL last year were they? The only teams who have played the NPPL properly this season, without only playing the minimum 2 events, are Shock and Nexus, playing 4 out of the 5 events, and Joy, Ton Ton playing 3 events.