Bit of a nuts Idea like but hey
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Re: I think its the a good idea
If u aint got a realistic shot of winning then whats the point, to go along and remember its the taking part that counts.......... sack that.
Ur boys played diamond at the weekend Pete, they grinded it out and it wasn't easy for them but they rocked. You woulda been proud mate.
Peace
Mak D
Not trying to piss you off here Pete, but most people would rather play like Kelly's and win the top Am ranks rather than play pro and come 10th.
If u aint got a realistic shot of winning then whats the point, to go along and remember its the taking part that counts.......... sack that.
Ur boys played diamond at the weekend Pete, they grinded it out and it wasn't easy for them but they rocked. You woulda been proud mate.
Peace
Mak D
Re: Re: I think its the a good idea
Is this what you are suggesting????
Mak, any player worth his salt, in a competitive sense. must have aspirations, what you and Pebbles seem to be suggesting here is that unless you can guarantee a first place then there is no point in participating.Originally posted by Mak D
Not trying to piss you off here Pete, but most people would rather play like Kelly's and win the top Am ranks rather than play pro and come 10th.
If u aint got a realistic shot of winning then whats the point, to go along and remember its the taking part that counts.......... sack that.
Ur boys played diamond at the weekend Pete, they grinded it out and it wasn't easy for them but they rocked. You woulda been proud mate.
Peace
Mak D
Is this what you are suggesting????
Not as simple as flat out ''if we can't win I aint playing''
But I see the Kelly's mentality. There a solid team that could go pro if they wanted to. But rather than go pro and spend all this money and time on training to not finish in the top 3 when it counts cause the Yanks snatch em up all the time.
They know realisticly they couldn t go over and win an NPPL event playing pro, but they have probably the best odds of winning Am matches in the UK even against our Pro teams Kelly's don't ever bowl over.
It's like you and boxing Robbo, now I of all people know you aint no sh!t bag Pete. But at your age (bless) you wouldn't step into a ring with say Danny Williams cause he's on top form and alot younger and basicly he s more chance of winning than you. Common sense would tell you hold on maby I shouldn't be doing this.
Same sort of thing with Kelly's........... why jump in the ring with Williams when you can have a go at the Amir Khan boyo. Teams like Kelly's can beat Dynasty but best of 3 they would struggle, so why spend thousands and waste so much time to get no results when you can play at the top Am level and not only get results, but the respect of every other team in the UK
See what I mean?
Mak D
But I see the Kelly's mentality. There a solid team that could go pro if they wanted to. But rather than go pro and spend all this money and time on training to not finish in the top 3 when it counts cause the Yanks snatch em up all the time.
They know realisticly they couldn t go over and win an NPPL event playing pro, but they have probably the best odds of winning Am matches in the UK even against our Pro teams Kelly's don't ever bowl over.
It's like you and boxing Robbo, now I of all people know you aint no sh!t bag Pete. But at your age (bless) you wouldn't step into a ring with say Danny Williams cause he's on top form and alot younger and basicly he s more chance of winning than you. Common sense would tell you hold on maby I shouldn't be doing this.
Same sort of thing with Kelly's........... why jump in the ring with Williams when you can have a go at the Amir Khan boyo. Teams like Kelly's can beat Dynasty but best of 3 they would struggle, so why spend thousands and waste so much time to get no results when you can play at the top Am level and not only get results, but the respect of every other team in the UK
See what I mean?
Mak D
No sorry I don't, the fact that I am well past my sell by date when it comes to gettin back in the ring has little do with the Kelly's situation.Originally posted by Mak D
Not as simple as flat out ''if we can't win I aint playing''
But I see the Kelly's mentality. There a solid team that could go pro if they wanted to. But rather than go pro and spend all this money and time on training to not finish in the top 3 when it counts cause the Yanks snatch em up all the time.
They know realisticly they couldn t go over and win an NPPL event playing pro, but they have probably the best odds of winning Am matches in the UK even against our Pro teams Kelly's don't ever bowl over.
It's like you and boxing Robbo, now I of all people know you aint no sh!t bag Pete. But at your age (bless) you wouldn't step into a ring with say Danny Williams cause he's on top form and alot younger and basicly he s more chance of winning than you. Common sense would tell you hold on maby I shouldn't be doing this.
Same sort of thing with Kelly's........... why jump in the ring with Williams when you can have a go at the Amir Khan boyo. Teams like Kelly's can beat Dynasty but best of 3 they would struggle, so why spend thousands and waste so much time to get no results when you can play at the top Am level and not only get results, but the respect of every other team in the UK
See what I mean?
Mak D
These guys are in the 'now' not 'has beens' like me and so should seek out the most competitive environment they can.
I've done my bit, had my day, paintball moves on but all the time you put a self-imposed cap on where you play, you cannot ever call yourself a true competitor, you are merely the precursor to a sandbaggger.
You have to step up to the plate at some time and that should have nothing to do with whether you can take a pro first place or not.
Getting first place isn't the goal here, it's being pro, getting first place comes after, it's a process going on here.
I would much rather be last placed Pro than first placed Am, one arena I can evolve in if I put the work in, the other?......well, it's a no brainer for any self respecting competitor, leastwise in my book it is.
The one thing I think I can get you to relate to Boxing and I get shot down like an Iraqi in a paper bag over down town Bagdad.
So you said
''I would much rather be last placed Pro than first placed Am, one arena I can evolve in if I put the work in''
But thats the problem Robbo, you can either ''evolve'' as you put it, and finish in the back end for a few years and maby one day lift a trophy or play at the top Am level and get results and enjoy playing, cause you havn't just flew all the way around the world to come last mate.
One more thing, I don't think Kelly's or teams like them are making a bad decision to stay Am, unfortunelty history has shown us that UK teams going pro are not going to end up where they want to be. I'm not trying to get beef here I'm just saying teams have choices they can go pro and finish as our teams are now 10th, 5th wherever or play Am and have a REALISTIC chance of winning.
Which beleive it or not Pete is the reason why most young guys play paintball because they want to win mate, 2nd place aint even good enough.
Playing to win is an addiction once you win once thats it your playing to win from now on and like I said 2nd place isn't even good enough.
If you have drive and ambition ur playing to win, anyone who tells me there a top balla but are happy to make up the numbers from 2nd place to last needs to take a walk and have a word with themself.
I'm not saying everyone should drop a division to make it easier to win, I'm saying if you can't realistcly win (as in you've no chance of ever beating Dynasty best of 3) then whats the point in playing pro, to help along with the prize money funds by paying entry so those boys can walk off and take it and carry on living their dream??
Ye get me???????????
Mak D