Bit of a nuts Idea like but hey

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Mak D


Robbo I wondered for a long time when the next time I would speak to you would be and I knew it would end up on this forum.
If you read what I wrote I wasn't talking about the MS I was talking about the NPPL. In planet zog we have the internet mate so I know were your team stands along with the other teams I mentioned. I was simply saying that they beat us at Xball twice (sorry) and in 7 man this year in the NPPL they are doing a bit better so all I'm saying sensai is that they obviously are doing something right or am I not listening??

Well wonder no longer Mak coz you are still talking crap mate, so next time you ask me to read anything (which actualy I did) try to follow your own counsel and pray tell me, which part of 'equal 10th place in the NPPL' couldn't you understand???
And also which part of the 'Tigers using All Americans for the NPPL' and 'Nexus using 100% Nexus players' didn't you understand?

And how when you finally understand those points does that constitute them doing better than us?

I mean, Mak, if you wanna place on their team, just give Warren a call but don't try to ingratiate yourself with them by making things up.

But like a lot of times on this forum, it's sometimes the little people who cause the biggest **** so I am gonna bow out of this lest things start to degenerate and I quite like the way things are going with regard to relations with the other UK pro teams at the moment and we don't need unthinking posts like ures Mak to stir things up again.

 

[Mak D]

Ha same old same old mate.

No I aint trying to get a spot on Tigers Pete in fact that s probably the last thing on my mind mate but thanks anyway I ll keep Warren in mind.

I aint trying to stir anything up Robbo I aint looking for a big word arguement with you either big chap, this post wasn't about if Nexus are better than Tigers it was about an idea I had. I posted this in speak your brains because thats what its there for, I had an idea and I wanted to see if anyone else thought it would be something worth doing.

What the fcuk am I stirring up anyway, if you all just chilled out no one would be getting dizy. This isnt about who s the best team in the UK I'm talking about the best players an idea I had of taking them all and putting them in the same team. Can't see anyone getting killed over that mate to be honest I don't think its that hostile like

Chill with the still

Mak D

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Mak D
Ha same old same old mate.

No I aint trying to get a spot on Tigers Pete in fact that s probably the last thing on my mind mate but thanks anyway I ll keep Warren in mind.

I aint trying to stir anything up Robbo I aint looking for a big word arguement with you either big chap, this post wasn't about if Nexus are better than Tigers it was about an idea I had. I posted this in speak your brains because thats what its there for, I had an idea and I wanted to see if anyone else thought it would be something worth doing.

What the fcuk am I stirring up anyway, if you all just chilled out no one would be getting dizy. This isnt about who s the best team in the UK I'm talking about the best players an idea I had of taking them all and putting them in the same team. Can't see anyone getting killed over that mate to be honest I don't think its that hostile like

Chill with the still

Mak D

I am chilled Mak, but you can't open up your post with a load of ole bollocks and expect it to go unchallenged.

It's like me coming on here and saying XSV are way more succesful in the NPPL than Dynasty and by the way, how can the Yanks put a team together to beat the Russkies?

The point of the question is valid but the opening statement is just bollocks.
I'm chilled !
Peace out !

 

[Robbo]

Let's just flesh a few things out here so people don't get the wrong idea, Mak, or anybody else can wave the patriotic flag as much as they like, they can quote pride, Americans suck or whatever they like but it still does not change things one little bit.

The vast majority of what Mak says has some resonance with people because we would all like to think we can be the best, or at least challenge for the top spots but this is just fanciful thinking because it is the real world that counts here.

In the real world, we have to have the tools to do the job and no matter what we say, the Americans have at least 10,000 times the number of players available than we do, many times the amount of sponsorship we do and so on.

This is not gonna change just because Mak, or anybody else waves a flag.
Cherry picking number pools and money count, because it is talent and resources that dictate the ultimate quality of teams and at the moment, the Yanks are driving an F1 and we are on a frikkin lawnmower.
Instead of tilting at windmills here, let's get real and take heart in the fact we got three UK teams in the Pro NPPL, more than any other nation outside of the US.
That says more to me than any of Mak's lunatic ravings of equality.

 

[Mak D]

Cool man, am sorry about the opening bit I can see how it can be taken that way. But essentially what I wanted to talk about was taking the best players from around the country from Nexus, Tigers, Shock, Kells and Manc Union and coming up with some sort of solution to the fact that we have 3 pro teams in the NPPL who for the past few years have grinded hard and earned there spot in the NPPL pro bracket but due to different reasons are not going to break into the top 3 in the next 2 years. Realisticly.

I dont want you to think I'm trying to piss anyone off, again as usual I didnt think about how I was sayin sh!t but that doesn't mean I have an agenda to get onto another team.
I just want to see us the UK beat them........... And I want to see it like really really really badly. I don't want to see our boys go over there and come 10th 8th etc, as good an acheivement as that (cause NPPL is fcukin hard) its not really were honestly all those guys flying on the plane back home wanted to finish. Or for the guys left home.

Everytime the pro's go away over the pond everyone left here is praying for a change for one of our 3 teams to finish in the top 3. But sadly it doesn't happen and might not for a long time. And thats the problem I'm talking about.

The top teams in the UK Nexus, Tigers, Shock, Kelly's, Manc Union and a few others are all playing for pride agreed??
Every compititive team is playing for results and ''pride'' the pride for thier team.
Thats probably the main reason for what you mentioned earleir Pete the relations of the 3 top teams have never been rock steady because of each teams pride for who they play for and the stuborness that goes along with that.

What I'm saying is that rather than everyone out there playing for the pride of their own team who ever it be Nexus, Tigers whoever that they get together and play for the countries pride and for the guys that get left home hoping you boys pull a miriacle out the bag.

It could be done Pete I won't believe it if you say it could never be done, what is so wrong and so idiotic about the thought of rather than our top teams going out there for themselves that they all ''work together'' to acheive something special. To go over there and cause the biggest upset since Jermy Salm after watching Rambo the night before a World Cup.

Mak D

 

[Mak D]

Originally posted by Robbo
Let's just flesh a few things out here so people don't get the wrong idea, Mak, or anybody else can wave the patriotic flag as much as they like, they can quote pride, Americans suck or whatever they like but it still does not change things one little bit.

The vast majority of what Mak says has some resonance with people because we would all like to think we can be the best, or at least challenge for the top spots but this is just fanciful thinking because it is the real world that counts here.

In the real world, we have to have the tools to do the job and no matter what we say, the Americans have at least 10,000 times the number of players available than we do, many times the amount of sponsorship we do and so on.

This is not gonna change just because Mak, or anybody else waves a flag.
Cherry picking number pools and money count, because it is talent and resources that dictate the ultimate quality of teams and at the moment, the Yanks are driving an F1 and we are on a frikkin lawnmower.
Instead of tilting at windmills here, let's get real and take heart in the fact we got three UK teams in the Pro NPPL, more than any other nation outside of the US.
That says more to me than any of Mak's lunatic ravings of equality.

Thats what I'm talking about man!

All your looking at is what is in our way or stopping us from doing this. The reasons why? Because we are still going to try and reach the top the same way the 3 teams are trying just now, on their own.

I dont know how you can do it Pete, I can't beleive you of all people are happy or ''content'' to sit around and be happy to make up the numbers.
We have so many things in our way but they are in our way because we are trying the American way of getting to the top, we can t train as much as them or have what they have, but ffs if William Wallace can beat an Army of English Soldiers with farmers and boys then surely YOU or a group of people in the UK scene can figure out a way to try a different approach like an allstar team.

Why can't we be the best Pete you lost faith?

It could happen man!

Mak D

 

[PEBBLE]

I think its the a good idea

However...i think that the allstar team wud be probably the best in the UK maybe one of the best in europe but aslong as everybody has their careers which stop them practising 4 times a week like Dynasty do we aint gonna dominate the world, so i think thats the problem, if Dye/empire/smartparts/ etc wud sponsor the allstar teams players to live a very good career (lots of money, sponsored to hell) we could have a chance to dominate

but realistically i dont think the sponsors would gamble with a "? team" to much to risk,

people always say to Kellys "why dont you go pro" we wud do if we think we could get 1st place pro at a millenium/NPPL or whatever , but i dout we could do that ,we want to come 1st so we play to get 1st in a lower division (DIV 1),

 

[Robbo]

Mak, ok, here goes...and this is not self interest here, it is just the way it is.
I ain't happy with how it is, I live with it but I arrived at this state because I have learned from experience and that experience has been derived from getting to pick the England XBall team and the nebulous of that team is Nexus, I got a sponsor package that pays for everything, I know what I am talking about when it comes to most things Paintball.........see this going anywhere Mak?

What else do you suggest apart from flights of fancy?
It's all well and good saying ' we want this, we deserve that, and why can't we...blah, blah, blah' but I have already explained why we can't, it ain't gonna change the 'cant's' just because you keep asking the same questions mate.

Put it this way Mak, u get in the ring with Lennox Lewis, you may wanna win, you may even think you deserve to win but he gonna whoop ure ass.
Now you can come away from that defeat with even more resolve, with even more Scottish flag waving and train like u never have before but the result of the next fight????
And the one after?
You get my point I hope Mak.
We have to be realistic here mate and work within that remit otherwise we would just disappear up our own ass.
I would truly love to go put it on the Yanks and I have a lot more reason to want it than you mate, but I ain't gonna go chasing rainbows just yet.
Well not until Abramowich calls me up anyway

 

[Mak D]

Pebble

Because you boys want to win there's nothing wrong with that.

Everyone knows who Kelly's are because you boys grind it out and watching you lot play is exciting.

Thats the problem I'm trying to get around, this Allstar team could only happen if the sponsors and the right people took intrest and supported it. But due to politics and maily money reasons it won't happen and thats was pissing me off. We won't get anywere fast because of bullsh!t.

I know its complicated but really its as simple as this

If you dropped all the **** and got the 15 best paintballers in the UK and got them training 4 times a month or more (were sponsor backing comes in). A squad thats dedicated to one thing only playing the way teams like Kelly's do because they want to win, sack this patience crap if we grind for 3 years it could happen one day.

I guarentee that the top players in the UK that if they could get a chance to play for a serious ballin allstar outfit with one goal of beating the Americans with all the politics of teams and sponsors dropped to make it possible I bet you would have the top talent in the country calling you for a trail.
Because surely I can't be the only one fed up of watching Dynasty will all the fcukin time.

If every top team agreed to work together with sponsors etc and each other to put together the best balling outfit to be British I reckon we could do it, it could be done

If all the bullsh!t was dropped theres no way why that can't be 7 UK players who step onto that finals field against the best team in the world and beat them because they have the skills and ambition to do it.


Mak D

 

[Mak D]

I'm with you Pete honestly mate I am.

Am just fed up of them winning everything and wish we could put something together to stop it, nothing wrong with ambition mate

Mak D