Bad for the sport?
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as i see it it come down to two different flavours of the same sport like mountain biking and road cycling neither see the point of the other but use the same technology. i personally think its time we started thinking of concept and rec as different sports.
for me rec-ball is paintball where as concept should really be seen as supaball
just my feelings
back to the main point if the guy wants to put that stuff on his marker then go for it. as long as it doesnt make it any more dangerious to others than it already is and its used in the correct way i see no stress.
i personally feel that the energy sent would have been better directed at trying to convince that the money would be better spent on and expansion system or and air system to improve the consistancy and acuracy of the marker. no point in having a marker that looks the nuts if you can't hit a barn door with it.
peace love and paintball people
for me rec-ball is paintball where as concept should really be seen as supaball
just my feelings
back to the main point if the guy wants to put that stuff on his marker then go for it. as long as it doesnt make it any more dangerious to others than it already is and its used in the correct way i see no stress.
i personally feel that the energy sent would have been better directed at trying to convince that the money would be better spent on and expansion system or and air system to improve the consistancy and acuracy of the marker. no point in having a marker that looks the nuts if you can't hit a barn door with it.
peace love and paintball people
Doh!
You misunderstand - back to the point was a reference to my excursion into the realms of top-notch comedy, the likes of which has not been seen since the death of Bill Hicks.
You see, what I did was pretend not to understand your point about staying united, and instead made a hillarious gag about clay shooting - whatever in the hell that is. Jeez, you need to get out more and experience cutting edge humor...I do gigs. weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs...
You misunderstand - back to the point was a reference to my excursion into the realms of top-notch comedy, the likes of which has not been seen since the death of Bill Hicks.
You see, what I did was pretend not to understand your point about staying united, and instead made a hillarious gag about clay shooting - whatever in the hell that is. Jeez, you need to get out more and experience cutting edge humor...I do gigs. weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs...
Doh!
Dammit TJ, you sure do 'pretend to not understand' an awful lot of things don't ya mate ?
I mean, it's coming to a point where it's almost a way of life for ya
Laters Duuuuuuude
P
Originally posted by TJ Lambini
You misunderstand - back to the point was a reference to my excursion into the realms of top-notch comedy, the likes of which has not been seen since the death of Bill Hicks.
You see, what I did was pretend not to understand your point about staying united, and instead made a hillarious gag about clay shooting - whatever in the hell that is. Jeez, you need to get out more and experience cutting edge humor...I do gigs. weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs...
Dammit TJ, you sure do 'pretend to not understand' an awful lot of things don't ya mate ?
I mean, it's coming to a point where it's almost a way of life for ya
Laters Duuuuuuude
P
It ain't my fault if
I operate on a more sophisticated level than the rest of you...s'probably cos I avoid drugs.
peace
I operate on a more sophisticated level than the rest of you...s'probably cos I avoid drugs.
peace
Bad for the sport???
If someone likes to run around in cammo … why not? Let them have it. I used cammo and army boots in the woods for the same reason that in sup'air i use cleats and the most outrageous jersey my team mates let me get away with: Had to adapt and take up any tiny detail that might give me an edge over the other guy.
Carrying gun look-a-like gizmos, shooting people up with paint (not too friendly, is it?!), wearing cammo, shouting out (berserker like) when we hang the flag isn’t bad for paintball as is.
Misinformation is.
Letting stick the image that we are all a bunch of desperadoes/perpetrators (guns), mean aggressive loonies (shoot ppl), warmongers (cammo), rock stars …er… unstable characters (shouting), NOW THAT’S DAMAGING TO US ALL.
I'm off now.
If someone likes to run around in cammo … why not? Let them have it. I used cammo and army boots in the woods for the same reason that in sup'air i use cleats and the most outrageous jersey my team mates let me get away with: Had to adapt and take up any tiny detail that might give me an edge over the other guy.
Carrying gun look-a-like gizmos, shooting people up with paint (not too friendly, is it?!), wearing cammo, shouting out (berserker like) when we hang the flag isn’t bad for paintball as is.
Misinformation is.
Letting stick the image that we are all a bunch of desperadoes/perpetrators (guns), mean aggressive loonies (shoot ppl), warmongers (cammo), rock stars …er… unstable characters (shouting), NOW THAT’S DAMAGING TO US ALL.
I'm off now.
Rec-ball on concept
Hmm now there's a thought. I know of a couple of sites who do that (remember the phscadelic south park field from Road to Aruba UK?). That would be interesting to see, it would be a bit wierd, but if you used a huge field, it could cool!
Anyways, I agree with rancid, we can't divorce ourselves from rec-ball, if either gets banned (like people keep trying to do all over the world) then we'll BOTH be banned. So, if we need a world governing body we probably need one to govern both.
Richard
Hmm now there's a thought. I know of a couple of sites who do that (remember the phscadelic south park field from Road to Aruba UK?). That would be interesting to see, it would be a bit wierd, but if you used a huge field, it could cool!
Anyways, I agree with rancid, we can't divorce ourselves from rec-ball, if either gets banned (like people keep trying to do all over the world) then we'll BOTH be banned. So, if we need a world governing body we probably need one to govern both.
Richard
Ban clay shooting now!
Playing air fields are intresting, but it's just another field for me. I cut my teeth on Photon, a sort of concept field thing. Hell, I can still remember my old route patterns from Photon. But, for me, it's about playing. I just want to play.
Wood is easier to get to for me, concept fields are a distraction, and ther'es only a handful of them for me. It' about the game, playing 'ball.
Then again, I just spent 6 months INACTIVE, for all intents and purposes. So playing ANYTHING is a good thing...
-Tyger
It's intresting that you talked about Bill Hicks in another post, mi amigo. I think one of the thingshe said about life is that it's a ride. Enjoy the ride.
Playing air fields are intresting, but it's just another field for me. I cut my teeth on Photon, a sort of concept field thing. Hell, I can still remember my old route patterns from Photon. But, for me, it's about playing. I just want to play.
Wood is easier to get to for me, concept fields are a distraction, and ther'es only a handful of them for me. It' about the game, playing 'ball.
Then again, I just spent 6 months INACTIVE, for all intents and purposes. So playing ANYTHING is a good thing...
-Tyger
Rec-ball on concept
Works both ways, you know. Some of the things you guys do embarrass US. Trashing hotel rooms, throwing punches after a mugging, slamming beers before hitting the field, throwing guns around... Yeah, we're REALLY proud to be paintball players when we hear stuff like that.
So, by logic, rec-ball can't divorce itself from tournament play either. But, we deal with it.
There, that should cause some controversy.
-Tyger
You're making an assumption that rec ballers want to be associated with tournament players.
Works both ways, you know. Some of the things you guys do embarrass US. Trashing hotel rooms, throwing punches after a mugging, slamming beers before hitting the field, throwing guns around... Yeah, we're REALLY proud to be paintball players when we hear stuff like that.
So, by logic, rec-ball can't divorce itself from tournament play either. But, we deal with it.
There, that should cause some controversy.
-Tyger
Diverging on another tangent
To Tyger--Greetings
I've been reading your stuff for a long time and through a truly bizarre twist of fate the first post of yours I respond to has me agreeing with you. Go figure.
You are correct when you turn the tables on the tourney side of the paintball equation. The examples of out of control, moronic and childish behavior from tourney players is (apparently) endless--please note pretty extreme example from recent LA Open (or in TJ's case, LA Closed) with player suspended 6 games, and his team's [temporary?] loss of a big sponsor. No question this stuff filters down and colors the impression of tourney paintball and players. (should it matter I learned this game in the woods, even played WC back in the woods days the first time, and don't play rec at all anymore cus it's just too damn tedious for words)
The only inequity in the equation is that for the time-being ugly stuff that happens at tournies is more or less limited to people who already follow paintball while some of the misuse of paintball equipment that gets reported in the major press tends to be associated with rec ball--probably because reporters, like the general population, don't know any better.
In the long run tho I think the "face" of paintball will be provided by tourney ball. That's what drives the industry (why does Chevy build the Corvette, or Kingman start the Spyder Cup?--It's all about image); and that's what drives the mags too despite coverage of Joe Schmoe and Dollack's latest debacle. Just look at the ads in the mags. (and if rumor is correct and Upper Deck has signed on to produce trading cards how many of those rec-stars are we gonna see?)
In my neck of the woods we don't really play in the woods anymore, rec or tourney. Most every field I know, around a dozen or so, all have Airball and/or Hyperball fields and everybody has all sorts of speedball fields otherwise nobody shows up, rec or otherwise.
And yes, there will probably always be rec ball but it will tend toward the camo combat simulators as paintball develops into a more fully realized sport. (and that straddle of yours, Tyger, will get harder and harder to maintain.)
Moo
To Tyger--Greetings
I've been reading your stuff for a long time and through a truly bizarre twist of fate the first post of yours I respond to has me agreeing with you. Go figure.
You are correct when you turn the tables on the tourney side of the paintball equation. The examples of out of control, moronic and childish behavior from tourney players is (apparently) endless--please note pretty extreme example from recent LA Open (or in TJ's case, LA Closed) with player suspended 6 games, and his team's [temporary?] loss of a big sponsor. No question this stuff filters down and colors the impression of tourney paintball and players. (should it matter I learned this game in the woods, even played WC back in the woods days the first time, and don't play rec at all anymore cus it's just too damn tedious for words)
The only inequity in the equation is that for the time-being ugly stuff that happens at tournies is more or less limited to people who already follow paintball while some of the misuse of paintball equipment that gets reported in the major press tends to be associated with rec ball--probably because reporters, like the general population, don't know any better.
In the long run tho I think the "face" of paintball will be provided by tourney ball. That's what drives the industry (why does Chevy build the Corvette, or Kingman start the Spyder Cup?--It's all about image); and that's what drives the mags too despite coverage of Joe Schmoe and Dollack's latest debacle. Just look at the ads in the mags. (and if rumor is correct and Upper Deck has signed on to produce trading cards how many of those rec-stars are we gonna see?)
In my neck of the woods we don't really play in the woods anymore, rec or tourney. Most every field I know, around a dozen or so, all have Airball and/or Hyperball fields and everybody has all sorts of speedball fields otherwise nobody shows up, rec or otherwise.
And yes, there will probably always be rec ball but it will tend toward the camo combat simulators as paintball develops into a more fully realized sport. (and that straddle of yours, Tyger, will get harder and harder to maintain.)
Moo