Are Euro teams getting better?
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To clarify matters a little, the gap between Euro teams and US teams IS most definitely widening, no argument.
We can of course pull out teams like Joy and RL who seem to buck that trend but they are a one off and certainly not indicative of the average Euro team.
Any serious comparative analysis of US teams against Euro teams has to take into account the average if it is to warrant any subsequent tags of being serious and significant.
There is no doubt in my kind that if you take the 'average' Euro team and chart their improvement curve over the last few years and then compare that with the average US team then there will be a significantly steeper curve associated with the Yanks.
And I will go so far as to say that anybody who contends this point is either misguided, mistaken or agenda ridden.. you takes yer pick on that one.
We can of course pull out teams like Joy and RL who seem to buck that trend but they are a one off and certainly not indicative of the average Euro team.
Any serious comparative analysis of US teams against Euro teams has to take into account the average if it is to warrant any subsequent tags of being serious and significant.
There is no doubt in my kind that if you take the 'average' Euro team and chart their improvement curve over the last few years and then compare that with the average US team then there will be a significantly steeper curve associated with the Yanks.
And I will go so far as to say that anybody who contends this point is either misguided, mistaken or agenda ridden.. you takes yer pick on that one.
Well - funny - who´s the one STILL not answering the questions asked.... It shouldn´t be that complex either!TJ Lambini said:And I'm starting to think you are being wilfully dim...
Read what I have said, it's not complex....I have not ever said anything about how Euro teams wil do in the future, have I?
As for results and practice - well, I think you can make tha connection there for yourself.
And yeah actually you have been talking future as well as present - or you´ve forgotten your own statements already? Just read the title of this thread - and there you have it! "Are euro teams GETTING better" not "ARE the euros better than the US already?"....
So Pete - if not sponsoring, training fascilities nor well just the economics in general is the issue upon euro-teams getting as good as the US ones, then what is stopping us?Robbo said:
Not being hostile here - but I really want to understand howcome you seem to think it will never happen?
Threed, some guys in Paintball do not need to have consistent examples of US domination to extrapolate data.....some of us can look between the lines of what's going on out there and see representatives from both sides of the water and make a valued (and significant) judgment call as to the relative merits of either.ThreeD said:
TJ most definitely knows what he's talking about (it's not me by the way) and I would try to resist the calling of pride when doing an assessment of both sides.
Just because we hate to admit something doesn't mean it ain't happening, it is happening and we have to not only face up to it but we have to try and deal with it instead of creating a ridiculous construct of European parity..and that gets us absolutely nowhere....fast !
Freddie Brockdorff said:So Pete - if not sponsoring, training fascilities nor well just the economics in general is the issue upon euro-teams getting as good as the US ones, then what is stopping us?
Not being hostile here - but I really want to understand howcome you seem to think it will never happen?
Freddie, there is nothing innate in us Euros that guarantees us any superiority over the Yanks if the things mentioned were leveled out, which is what this guy is suggesting.
This is a wholly arrogant and fallacious assertion, it beggars belief that anybody actually made it.
The most we could ever say with any degree of accuracy is, that if all things were on a level playing fields, we would be as good as them, and that's as much as we can say.
But.. we will NEVER have a level playing field, the Yanks culture is different is to ours and Freddie, you don't really need me to flesh out those details.
I am not suggesting this predisposition is the sole reason they win but other things being equal, it would certainly create a performance differential.
I think you know what I am getting at here ...
I give up and bow out gracefully...you're as bad as your dad.Freddie Brockdorff said:Well - funny - who´s the one STILL not answering the questions asked.... It shouldn´t be that complex either!
And yeah actually you have been talking future as well as present - or you´ve forgotten your own statements already? Just read the title of this thread - and there you have it! "Are euro teams GETTING better" not "ARE the euros better than the US already?"....
So actually that is - at this point - the only thing that keeps us from developing as fast as them..... Then I agree!
But I also do believe that we in Europe are seeing a great developing in paintball - at least that´s what happening here in scandinavia - loads and loads of really great traning sites are popping up all over, and that being both reball and paint! All this increasing of playing fascilities actually - I think - equals the big development we see in the results of the scandinavian teams.... No not many of them would make it compared to the US teams right now, but they are definately devoloping fast (and bare in mind both the teams you all mention as being capable of following the US are scandinavian!) - and maybe a bit faster than others places in Europe - well I don´t know - we would have to come back on this topic a couple of years from now, and THEN see what has actually happend in the years between now and then!
Maybe we can rely on Nick making yet another topic on this 2 years from now - or else I will definately follow in my "dads" footstep and do it for him!
But I also do believe that we in Europe are seeing a great developing in paintball - at least that´s what happening here in scandinavia - loads and loads of really great traning sites are popping up all over, and that being both reball and paint! All this increasing of playing fascilities actually - I think - equals the big development we see in the results of the scandinavian teams.... No not many of them would make it compared to the US teams right now, but they are definately devoloping fast (and bare in mind both the teams you all mention as being capable of following the US are scandinavian!) - and maybe a bit faster than others places in Europe - well I don´t know - we would have to come back on this topic a couple of years from now, and THEN see what has actually happend in the years between now and then!
Maybe we can rely on Nick making yet another topic on this 2 years from now - or else I will definately follow in my "dads" footstep and do it for him!
Hehe....... You finally got the joke!TJ Lambini said:I give up and bow out gracefully...you're as bad as your dad.
But still no answers?!!