7 man Superleague or Xball in Europe
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This whole problem is a much bigger can of worms than merely signing off on format change A or B (and the logistics associated with either move.)
For starters the Mil has been put in the position of reacting all the time instead of acting. Further the old paradigm of incremental planning that allowed for year to year adjustments is no longer feasible either. The Series needs a longer term plan and then the will to execute it.
Problem No. 1--if Euroland hitches their wagon to either the NPPL or XBall the Series is no longer driving that wagon. You will be at the whim of the dominant series and all predicated on some possible TV future--in the U.S.! After all, does the prospect of television success at some level in the US necessarily translate into success over in Euroland? All it really offers is proof that at some level it might work over here.
Problem No. 2--if and/or when pro PB goes exclusive--like the NXL--it will have a profound impact on all the other levels of Mil Series events. The teams and players will have to start wrapping their heads around the idea they no longer play the same game as the big boyz. Not an insurmountable problem but one that strikes some fear into the promotors as they can't afford and surely don't want to lose teams outta of the lower divisions.
Problem No. 3--the Mil guys gotta do something otherwise they will lose the upper echelon of their pro structure anyway as there is a core of Euro Pros determined now to compete at the highest level possible and if they have to leave the Mil to do it--they will.
That's just 3 of the problems they are presently dealing with. There are more. But it is easy to see how tough this process is as many of the prospective problems are also at odds.
So don't get too caught up in formats just yet. Right now the guys are playing catch-up. The best thing you could possibly hear for the coming year is the outline of a long term plan for Euroball. No matter what, things are gonna change. The only question is--will the Mil be trying to get out in front of the wave or playing it safe.
For starters the Mil has been put in the position of reacting all the time instead of acting. Further the old paradigm of incremental planning that allowed for year to year adjustments is no longer feasible either. The Series needs a longer term plan and then the will to execute it.
Problem No. 1--if Euroland hitches their wagon to either the NPPL or XBall the Series is no longer driving that wagon. You will be at the whim of the dominant series and all predicated on some possible TV future--in the U.S.! After all, does the prospect of television success at some level in the US necessarily translate into success over in Euroland? All it really offers is proof that at some level it might work over here.
Problem No. 2--if and/or when pro PB goes exclusive--like the NXL--it will have a profound impact on all the other levels of Mil Series events. The teams and players will have to start wrapping their heads around the idea they no longer play the same game as the big boyz. Not an insurmountable problem but one that strikes some fear into the promotors as they can't afford and surely don't want to lose teams outta of the lower divisions.
Problem No. 3--the Mil guys gotta do something otherwise they will lose the upper echelon of their pro structure anyway as there is a core of Euro Pros determined now to compete at the highest level possible and if they have to leave the Mil to do it--they will.
That's just 3 of the problems they are presently dealing with. There are more. But it is easy to see how tough this process is as many of the prospective problems are also at odds.
So don't get too caught up in formats just yet. Right now the guys are playing catch-up. The best thing you could possibly hear for the coming year is the outline of a long term plan for Euroball. No matter what, things are gonna change. The only question is--will the Mil be trying to get out in front of the wave or playing it safe.
sorry guys that comment was supposed to be 'tongue in cheek!' forgot the smiley!Originally posted by Tommy Gun-Nexus
Hmmm didnt you say the other week that the 'super league' should be run on a first come first served basis?
Now up pops a ranking list from last year, with Storm in 10th, and now 'that should be the diffinative list from Euroland'?????
Its fair enough that your fighting your corner, but atleast stick to the same story man!
Oh Ive just seen you've written it in your last post aswell, make up your mind
Tommy
i still maintain all who want to step up this season should be allowed to. then if next season the top XX are the only ones selected then fair play everyone has the same deal, and i would fully support that!
so my view has not changed, just missed out a sarcastic graphic, sorry
Baca
you are so right!
if teams do not find out whats in store they will replace the uncertainty with a confirmed series - NPPL
i also agree that instead of being a reactive series it needs a season of stability to then put ideas into place and become a proactive series, lets take it to the world instead of following a season behind!
i for one would assist in any way i could and i am sure that there are plenty of others who want the game in Europe to excel and would offer their services.
you are so right!
if teams do not find out whats in store they will replace the uncertainty with a confirmed series - NPPL
i also agree that instead of being a reactive series it needs a season of stability to then put ideas into place and become a proactive series, lets take it to the world instead of following a season behind!
i for one would assist in any way i could and i am sure that there are plenty of others who want the game in Europe to excel and would offer their services.
There's a few things at risk here, and the Millennium dudes need to really think about things carefully.
Gaff and Bacca, i don't think team are going to migrate to the NPPL if they don't tell us right away what's going on. Some of the rumored changes will make a huge impact on teams and team structures, and the Board needs to really think this through carefully.
Sadly it's not just about making the right decision for the players, as i fear that Television and Money will be the priority. The Sport will evolve, as the Money dictates, and that's what i believe is happening here. I don't nescessarly think that it's a bad thing, it will advance the sport, but it probably won't advance it exactly the way everyone hopes it will.
There's a lot going on now, there's some very important phone calls being made, and the decision of what to do next season isn't a simple one to make.
Paul, i think you're right about the Millennium guys having lost the inatitive, and following the American Lead. But that dosn't mean we can't be successfull in following if we take the lessons learned and apply it to what we do, and in turn do it better than the Americans, which we have proved we can do over the past few years of Millennium Greatness.
They have a saying in my line of work 'it's alright to copy someone else as long as you do it better'.
Personally, give me X-ball. The structure is there, the game rocks, and I am dying to play it!
Gaff and Bacca, i don't think team are going to migrate to the NPPL if they don't tell us right away what's going on. Some of the rumored changes will make a huge impact on teams and team structures, and the Board needs to really think this through carefully.
Sadly it's not just about making the right decision for the players, as i fear that Television and Money will be the priority. The Sport will evolve, as the Money dictates, and that's what i believe is happening here. I don't nescessarly think that it's a bad thing, it will advance the sport, but it probably won't advance it exactly the way everyone hopes it will.
There's a lot going on now, there's some very important phone calls being made, and the decision of what to do next season isn't a simple one to make.
Paul, i think you're right about the Millennium guys having lost the inatitive, and following the American Lead. But that dosn't mean we can't be successfull in following if we take the lessons learned and apply it to what we do, and in turn do it better than the Americans, which we have proved we can do over the past few years of Millennium Greatness.
They have a saying in my line of work 'it's alright to copy someone else as long as you do it better'.
Personally, give me X-ball. The structure is there, the game rocks, and I am dying to play it!
Really interesting December we have here...
Euroball future seems to be dangling on the edge, this week rumors are running towards XBall?
Seriously, what are we Europeans gaining if/when/might happen the big TV comes in to play? Eurosport will not be the channel, not even SKY Sports, little less BBC network... what about Germany, Poland, Italy, Portugal, does anyone remember us Scandinavians ???
Robbo is saying that we have already fallen of the TV-wagon, last year, when euros didn't get in with NXL world whatever... What actually have we lost? NXL player Micah from SC Ironmen, says (flagpull.com)that the team is falling apart and they want to play 7-man and Div 1 X. And why, because NXL didn't get any money really.
Only thing that IMO we euros could get if pb gets televised in USA is little more support from inside the industry, the likes of Draxxus, PMI, SP etc. But I don't really see any local French, Swedish or even Russian brewery/car manufacturer open their wallet even if team representatives came in screaming how their team is in TV in USA.
Don't get me wrong I am more than willing to get pb televised but we in Europe have to be realistic and do things our way. Europe is still only a group of "independent" countries, with each having their own language... UK, Sweden etc. even having still their own historic currency. So things that work in US won't easily work here. I believe that paintball is exploding to the public in Europe too, but it will not happen at the same time as in US.
Plus, I have written this already before: If pros play different format (x-y-z-whateverball), every am/nov team want to play the same format, otherwise we cannot relate to our idols.
Really hope that some real water tight decisions for MS 04 come out soon... then again its really fun to see all these rumors and wild plans.
Euroball future seems to be dangling on the edge, this week rumors are running towards XBall?
Seriously, what are we Europeans gaining if/when/might happen the big TV comes in to play? Eurosport will not be the channel, not even SKY Sports, little less BBC network... what about Germany, Poland, Italy, Portugal, does anyone remember us Scandinavians
??? Robbo is saying that we have already fallen of the TV-wagon, last year, when euros didn't get in with NXL world whatever... What actually have we lost? NXL player Micah from SC Ironmen, says (flagpull.com)that the team is falling apart and they want to play 7-man and Div 1 X. And why, because NXL didn't get any money really.
Only thing that IMO we euros could get if pb gets televised in USA is little more support from inside the industry, the likes of Draxxus, PMI, SP etc. But I don't really see any local French, Swedish or even Russian brewery/car manufacturer open their wallet even if team representatives came in screaming how their team is in TV in USA.
Don't get me wrong I am more than willing to get pb televised but we in Europe have to be realistic and do things our way. Europe is still only a group of "independent" countries, with each having their own language... UK, Sweden etc. even having still their own historic currency. So things that work in US won't easily work here. I believe that paintball is exploding to the public in Europe too, but it will not happen at the same time as in US.
Plus, I have written this already before: If pros play different format (x-y-z-whateverball), every am/nov team want to play the same format, otherwise we cannot relate to our idols.
Really hope that some real water tight decisions for MS 04 come out soon... then again its really fun to see all these rumors and wild plans.
1--perhaps but in some respects it's not that different from the emergence of the NPPL last year as a viable alternative to the PSP. The teams that can will go where they know they can find the competition they desire. And the Mil is unlikely to see as many US Pros this coming season as last.
2--true, true and true. Although that "probably" should be a "certainly."
3--which as you point out is OK as long as you can offer a comparable version. My point was regarding the Mil directly tying in with one side or the other; NPPL or XBall. It may not be avoidable but it's a mismatch at the moment. One that could leave the Mil in an inferior position, following the lead of others with potentially different priorities. (And obviously that must part of the concern the Board has in trying to figure out just what to do.)
4--don't blame you one bit but look what XBall has done to the Old Guard already. Three NXL teams are in turmoil after one season; NYX, Shock and Ironmen. And rumblings out of 2 other camps.
I don't think it is so much X Ball as a format that's done it. It is the situations and policies of NXL. Players who are tired of waiting for the money to come in and not getting to play where they like, isn't it?
Did I stutter, Steve?
Certainly there is player dissatisfaction with the restrictions and failure of wads o' cash showing up yesterday but I stand by my statement that the format has had a big impact on "Old Guard" Pros and the continuity of some of the NXL teams.
I'm not saying it's a terrible thing for PB in general but it will upset more than a few apple carts in the process.
This might take the conversation slightly off topic, and correct me if I am wrong here as all these different series confuse the hell outta me, but didn't the NXL have restrictions applied as to where and what the teams could play at the start of last years season? It then seemed that those restrictions were lifted to allowed those teams to play the MS and other series if they wished.
Are those restrictions going to be re-imposed this year or are they gone for good? Is there any sign of the "wads o' cash" showing up this year or have the teams that paid to join the NXL going to have another year with pretty much nothing but prestige to show for it?
Urban