WORLD CUP news! Avalanche caught cheating!

[DarkArmorPB]

Cross posted from pbn.

Here you go chloe...

The saga continues.


Again, what you folks seem to overlook is the fact that Salm was the team captain and not just another player. The captain is chosen by the owner and or major sponsors of the team to represent their interests. He is also chosen as a spokesman not only to the public, but to paintball officials and other teams in the sport. When your organization is so corrupted that your chosen LEADER does something so despicable and low... One has to wonder about the core beliefs and values that the team in general holds forth. The team captain is the "usually" most mature player, or atleast the one who makes all the decisions in the day to day functions of the team. He is also supposed to set forth the standard that the others in the team should adhere to. The one who molds his players together and the one who everybody else looks up to. To act in such a way as he has, shows me where the teams values lay, and what type of group consciousness they posses.

Maybe they did cheat during another game. Maybe there was a different person in the woods during previous games that shot others in the back. Just the fact that Salm was caught doing it this time, doesn't make me believe that it's not a possibility. If their "Team Avalanche" ideals and morals are what they have shown to the public so far.. I would accept the possibility of it having happened before.

Yes.. In my Opinion.... Salm should be banned for life from the nppl. IMO, Avalanche should be banned from nppl for at least a season. IMO, All their major sponsors should pull the plug on them... Will it happen?? Highly doubtful.

Just my 2 cents worth.
DAPB

 

[Robbo]

Cross posted from pbn.

Originally posted by DarkArmorPB
Here you go chloe...The saga continues. Again, what you folks seem to overlook is the fact that Salm was the team captain and not just another player. The captain is chosen by the owner and or major sponsors of the team to represent their interests. He is also chosen as a spokesman not only to the public, but to paintball officials and other teams in the sport. When your organization is so corrupted that your chosen LEADER does something so despicable and low... One has to wonder about the core beliefs and values that the team in general holds forth. The team captain is the "usually" most mature player, or atleast the one who makes all the decisions in the day to day functions of the team. He is also supposed to set forth the standard that the others in the team should adhere to. The one who molds his players together and the one who everybody else looks up to. To act in such a way as he has, shows me where the teams values lay, and what type of group consciousness they posses.

Maybe they did cheat during another game. Maybe there was a different person in the woods during previous games that shot others in the back. Just the fact that Salm was caught doing it this time, doesn't make me believe that it's not a possibility. If their "Team Avalanche" ideals and morals are what they have shown to the public so far.. I would accept the possibility of it having happened before.

Yes.. In my Opinion.... Salm should be banned for life from the nppl. IMO, Avalanche should be banned from nppl for at least a season. IMO, All their major sponsors should pull the plug on them... Will it happen?? Highly doubtful.

Just my 2 cents worth.
DAPB

And in your universe, unilateralism doesn't exist I suppose ?
You cannot extend the madness of one idiot to envelop the whole team just because of his positiion as field captain, that's just downright ignorant and smacks of an agenda ridden post.
No, you would do better to stick to the facts, leave speculation to the fools and 'think they knows' and agree that the guilty person has been banned and deserved it.
Any more than that is just mindless conjecture.
Robbo

 

[TJ Lambini]

Which is precisely what the net was invented for!

It's a conundrum emmersed in a ruse wrapped up in a puzzle...

 

[Baca Loco]

Tasty too

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
It's a conundrum emmersed in a ruse wrapped up in a puzzle...

...surrounded in bacon, dipped in ranch dressing and served skewered on a toothpick.

 

[TJ Lambini]

You crazy fool

Piper will eat tha post now...

 

[Piper]

...surrounded in bacon, dipped in ranch dressing and served skewered on a toothpick.

mmmmmm bacon ranch dressing. mmmm food

TJ
Have no idea what you mean !


Piper

 

[Buddha 3]

Cross posted from pbn.

Originally posted by DarkArmorPB
Here you go chloe...

The saga continues.


Again, what you folks seem to overlook is the fact that Salm was the team captain and not just another player. The captain is chosen by the owner and or major sponsors of the team to represent their interests. He is also chosen as a spokesman not only to the public, but to paintball officials and other teams in the sport. When your organization is so corrupted that your chosen LEADER does something so despicable and low... One has to wonder about the core beliefs and values that the team in general holds forth. The team captain is the "usually" most mature player, or atleast the one who makes all the decisions in the day to day functions of the team. He is also supposed to set forth the standard that the others in the team should adhere to. The one who molds his players together and the one who everybody else looks up to. To act in such a way as he has, shows me where the teams values lay, and what type of group consciousness they posses.

Maybe they did cheat during another game. Maybe there was a different person in the woods during previous games that shot others in the back. Just the fact that Salm was caught doing it this time, doesn't make me believe that it's not a possibility. If their "Team Avalanche" ideals and morals are what they have shown to the public so far.. I would accept the possibility of it having happened before.

Yes.. In my Opinion.... Salm should be banned for life from the nppl. IMO, Avalanche should be banned from nppl for at least a season. IMO, All their major sponsors should pull the plug on them... Will it happen?? Highly doubtful.

Just my 2 cents worth.
DAPB

Personally I'd say that it's easier for a captain to snap.
Don't forget that a captain is under more pressure than the rest of the team. If a team doesn't perform (which can be said for Avalanche), it's usually the captain that gets the boot.
Also the fact that someone is the captain does not mean that he's liked by everyone. It depends on your style of leadership. Some lead by example, some have so much respect that the players are willing to do anything for them, others are the 'common enemy' that unites the players. Most likely, the captain is 'just' the guy that has the most insight in the game, not the guy everybody loves the most.

 

[raehl]

I dunno about that....

My experience is that the captain has always been the guy who you can depend on to make sure the team has a place to sleep when you get into town.

- Chris

 

[DarkArmorPB]

Re: Cross posted from pbn.

One answer then Im done with this subject.

No sir. I have no agenda here, either hidden or other. I am stating facts as I see them about the occurrence during world cup between avalanche and GZ. I am not a nppl player "yet" nor am I someone who is intimately familiar with Pete or Jeremy. My views are from someone who is a co-captain of a paintball team and from someone who has values and morals about everyday work and leisure play. Ergo, I am one who's stating a view on behavior as ive read about or heard about. Notice in earlier posts.. The "In My Opinion" statements.

Now about the unilateral statement. Lets dissect that word.
1 a : done or undertaken by one person or party b : of, relating to, or affecting one side of a subject : ONE-SIDED c : constituting or relating to a contract or engagement by which an express obligation to do or forbear is imposed on only one party.

In my opinion, How can one be unilateral when one is the captain of a team? How can he or she be so if they are just members?

But along with that word lets look at the word Team. : a number of persons associated together in work or activity: as a : a group on one side (as in football or a debate and or paintball)

Key word is "Associated" together. TEAM play is in no way again "IMO" unilateral.
What one person says or does by all means affects the group as a whole. Yes, it may be wrong to say that avalanche "the team" are all guilty be association.. But its a fact that some will look at it this way. Again "IMO" We as captains or leaders in our sport shoulder not only the responsibilities on what we say or do.. But the fact that what we do or say affects the WHOLE team. They chose us to be their spokesman, so they have to bear at least some of the responsibility if we screw up. Again, as should their major sponsors or the owners of the organization.

Please refrain referring to peoples opinions as "downright ignorant", when everything I posted earlier was the truth as i see it, and or opinions as a fellow player and captain in the sport of paintball.

DAPB

Originally posted by Robbo


And in your universe, unilateralism doesn't exist I suppose ?
You cannot extend the madness of one idiot to envelop the whole team just because of his positiion as field captain, that's just downright ignorant and smacks of an agenda ridden post.
No, you would do better to stick to the facts, leave speculation to the fools and 'think they knows' and agree that the guilty person has been banned and deserved it.
Any more than that is just mindless conjecture.
Robbo

 

[Tyger]

Re: Cross posted from pbn.

Originally posted by Robbo

You cannot extend the madness of one idiot to envelop the whole team just because of his positiion as field captain, that's just downright ignorant and smacks of an agenda ridden post.

I was trying to think of a good example of this, and I have to admit that in some case, you're right.

However, let's look at paintball as a team sport. The real question here is Salm's motive, as well as the team motive. Since nobody will do an investigation, there's no way to know what it is.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that 'lanche knew. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT! IF they knew, and they condoned the actions of Salm by either not reporting or helping him, then you get into the realm where a team can be held accountable. If they knew, and did nothing to stop, then they are accountbale.

That's the real question, and that's what shuld be the focus here. In the realm of team sports, it would be similar to holding a coach accountbale for giving his team performance-enhancing drugs. If the athletes KNEW they were taing them, they're accountbale too. If they had no clue ("Coach just gave us this sports drink and said drink it or we're off the team.") THEN you have a point.

-Tyger