Whitch teams to play the exl???

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Robbo
Steve, if u had 16 teams in, u wouldn't see me or Mag and probably Sergey for dust.
The inclusion of an extra 8 Euro teams would make a mockery of having the 'best' teams to contest in a competitive league that encourages improvement and development.

I got an idea, we pick 8 countries that should be represented in this European league and then each country has its own national tourney to decide who goes in
Yeah baby

I understand your point, Robbo, but I really feel we're between a rock and a hard-place here. We've got to give here to avoid giving Nexus, Hardcore, Dynasty, etc. the shaft.

I think 10 Euro teams plus 2 NXL plus four of the best "independent" American sides would be avout as interesting PB as one is likely to ever see. I seriously start drooling thinking about it.

And I do seriouly believe you would see Magued there. Not go against the best of all possible PB worlds?

Steve

POST EDIT:

The national tourney thing is a good idea.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
I understand your point, Robbo, but I really feel we're between a rock and a hard-place here. We've got to give here to avoid giving Nexus, Hardcore, Dynasty, etc. the shaft.

I think 10 Euro teams plus 2 NXL plus four of the best "independent" American sides would be avout as interesting PB as one is likely to ever see. I seriously start drooling thinking about it.

And I do seriouly believe you would see Magued there. Not go against the best of all possible PB worlds?

Steve

POST EDIT:

The national tourney thing is a good idea.

OK let's invite every American team over to contest in our EXL, my God Steve, they got NXL and divisional XBall in the US already, we don't have to keep prostituting ourselves to accommodate everybody all the frikkin time.
It might well be mouth watering for you to construct the league this way but we are departing from the very essence of the league and that is one of being European.
We can have that American element come the finals in Orlando, and until then, let's keep it in house.
Let's stop facking things up here, clear our heads of all the cr@p, and get on with it.
There is no real rock and hard place here at all, we just need a resolve to do things professionally for once and not buckle every time somebody whimpers.
As for the Natoinal tourney idea, it has as much chance of happening as Piper not eating over Xmas

 

[Wadidiz]

This is just my personal opinions and there may not be much chance....

...but, the more I think about it the more I think a 16 team EXL is an elegant solution.

¤ Europe, as Robbo has pointed out countless times, is behind NXL. Therefore it is only reasonable that Europe have 10 top teams to draw from rather than 8 (besides the fact that Europe is substantially larger).

¤ The unique combination of the Euro-best, NXL teams and the best of the GDIs would be a major attraction. Do you think Dynasty, Strange, NDs, etc. would miss the opportunity to come and play against some NXL teams and Europe's crème de la crème?

I think it would be sensational and draw more media attention the way I've described.

Steve

 

[tukisilva]

In the 2003 Pro division, we have (according to the MS ranking):
1- France (TonTon)
2- United Kingdom (Tigers)
3- Sweden (Joy)
4- Denmark (Ducklings)
5- Russia (Legion)
6- Germany (All Stars Gold)
7- Norway (NBK)
8- Austria (Daltons)

I really don’t think these teams will represent the best of the European PB, so common sense is necessary.

2003 MS results:
1- Tonton (France)
2- Legion (Russia)
3- Tigers (UK)
4- TT Acyd (France)
5- Joy (Sweden)
6- Ignition (Sweden)
7- Hardcore (Sweden)
8- Ducklings (Denmark)

This also doesn’t represent the true elite of our PB.

A national tourney its dangerous, coz one bad day can put a great team out of the EXL, and anyway, who will pay for this tourney ?

The Board (or Robbo) solution is a good solution, but isn’t perfect.
So I think the Board should have a reunion with the Caps of all the most represented team (yes, Strange and Dynasty too) and one man one vote decide who should or not be in this deal.

Personally i don’t think that any country should be allowed to have more them 2 teams in the EXL.
And I also believe that we must cut game-time or we will lose the spectators attention.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by tukisilva
In the 2003 Pro division, we have (according to the MS ranking):
1- France (TonTon)
2- United Kingdom (Tigers)
3- Sweden (Joy)
4- Denmark (Ducklings)
5- Russia (Legion)
6- Germany (All Stars Gold)
7- Norway (NBK)
8- Austria (Daltons)

I really don’t think these teams will represent the best of the European PB, so common sense is necessary.

2003 MS results:
1- Tonton (France)
2- Legion (Russia)
3- Tigers (UK)
4- TT Acyd (France)
5- Joy (Sweden)
6- Ignition (Sweden)
7- Hardcore (Sweden)
8- Ducklings (Denmark)

This also doesn’t represent the true elite of our PB.

A national tourney its dangerous, coz one bad day can put a great team out of the EXL, and anyway, who will pay for this tourney ?

The Board (or Robbo) solution is a good solution, but isn’t perfect.
So I think the Board should have a reunion with the Caps of all the most represented team (yes, Strange and Dynasty too) and one man one vote decide who should or not be in this deal.

Personally i don’t think that any country should be allowed to have more them 2 teams in the EXL.
And I also believe that we must cut game-time or we will lose the spectators attention.

Strange and Dynasty should have absolutley NO say in what we do over here !!!!!
Like it or not, and I don't particularly like the way we have arrived at the 8, unless the Millennium Board have a re-think, we are stuck with the original 8.
And as for a 16 team EUROPEAN league with so many Yanks in ???
Puuurlleaaase !!!!
And just how many Euros do they have in the NXL Steve ?
Get back to me when the answer is greater than zero.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Robbo
Strange and Dynasty should have absolutley NO say in what we do over here !!!!!

No more or less than any other teams IMO. Those two teams were loyal paying customers like all the others. Not only that, but due to their status as top-ranking, top-performing teams, they added significantly to the attractiveness of the series. I, for one, much prefer a competition that includes teams from outside of Europe. In fact, that has been one of the most attractive features of the MS for me.

Originally posted by Robbo And just how many Euros do they have in the NXL Steve ?!!!!!

Thanks for making my point! We can have a series that is WAY more interesting, exciting and dynamic than what NXL have.

IMO the two most exciting things happening at this year's World Cup were NXL and Division 1 X Ball. Imagine combining the intensity of both of those PLUS Russian Legion, Nexus, Hardcore, Tontons, Joy, et al.

 

[tukisilva]

Robbo

According to your own words if there aint any European Teams in the NXL it’s because of a wrong decision by Laurent last season, coz they invite us to join them.
So you are saying us to make the same wrong decision now?

If we have 8 Manchester Nexus in a tournament, that won’t attract as many people has 1 Dynasty. So if we are talking about getting the best deal we must always talk and hear the American opinion, and being Strange and Dynasty the one that helped us most last season, we need them and need to hear them in the construction of this EXL.

Cheers

 

[Robbo]

Steve, then take off the word 'European' at the beginning of EXL and stick whatever you like, and have in whomever you like.

We either stick to the ethos of having the best Euro teams involved as a Euro league or we forget it, what's the frikkin point in having an EXL where the 'E' means Jack Sh1t ?


Tuk, you are not thinking clearly.
The fact that the Millennium chose to ignore the opportunity last year with the NXL has no relevance to what is going on now.
This is supposed to be a EUROPEAN league that has been promised TV representation in a World Series at the end of the year and then as far as I know, a televised Euro league in 2005, the rights of which are soon to be negotiated.

We don’t need the Yanks in the EXL as this agreement negates that requirement.
If we had been part of a World series as was being offered to us last year then YES of course we would have needed yank involvement but we are not.
We are supposed to be running a European league where the best four eventually play the best four Americans.

There should be no mix and match here, it's quite clear, European and American leagues will clash in Orlando, that's the whole idea!!!
Do you understand now ????

 

[Fatty]

Still dont understand why its called EXL if there is only 5 countrys playing, we are now talking about new format so the 7 man scores make some point but not all!
I would like to see 12-14 europioan teams and non of the yanks (sorry to say) and have them play later against those NXL teams (maybe there could be some other yank teams to than NXL)
i think Finland was greate example on this, we didnt have any pro players, Am A almost all but even had some Am B players and did we do that bad on this new format?
Now you are putting 3 UK teams, how did the do in X? (yeah yeah you had problems and nexus werent playing but still)
imho in the X ball even almost totaly new team can do damage if the just invest to its training!

hope you even undestanded my point (from my ****ty english)

 

[Wadidiz]

Robbo and Nick,

Nothing in my proposal negates it being European. The idea would be to limit the series points towards the world X Ball championship to European teams only. Meanwhile we can have a lot of fun and great, entertaining games with the best of Division 1 X Ball, whichever 2 NXL teams come over and the absolute best of the Europeans.

Again, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong. I understand your points but I think this could be a great way to handle it.

Jesse has a good point. Let's make it a little bigger to include more Euro teams.

Can I get a witness?