Whitch teams to play the exl???

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
1--Paul, I agree with everything you just posted; as Steve suggested, an insightful analysis !

2--I think after such an intelligent appraisal, I might have wanted some conclusions or directives you might suggest as the best way to go...

3--Anyway, have a great Xmas Paul and Steve !!!

1--thanks.
2--my original purpose was, as offered to Steve, to help with what seemed to me a fair framework for examining all the stuff that's in the works vis-a-vis the average tourney baller who visits the forums.
However, since you think there might be some value in adding additional thoughts I will get back to you on that as soon as I figure out just how to do it without too much bull in the china shop extras. That and I've a bit of Christmas shopping to finish yet. Really.
3--and to you and yours, my friend.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by BWillie
London Nexus may develop a relationship with a Billionaire paintball enthusist who wants to pay Ollie $100,000 a year to play on the team.

Well that is the case already but I fear Sergey would want Ollie for his own team

Have a great Xmas Lane and hope to see ya soon, say 'hi' to wife and kids for me

 

[Wadidiz]

I think I made some good points for 16 teams but I can see why it will probably have to be 8 after all these posts. It's just that I, like Magued, think something has to be changed about Hardcore's status.

Merry Christmas Pete, Baca, BWillie, Sam, Repairman, Nick, Tuck, Duff, Jay and all the rest of you who have made these posts at least marginally interesting...

and Happy New Year!

Peace

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
I think I made some good points for 16 teams but I can see why it will probably have to be 8 after all these posts. It's just that I, like Magued, think something has to be changed about Hardcore's status.

Merry Christmas Pete, Baca, BWillie, Sam, Repairman, Nick, Tuck, Duff, Jay and all the rest of you who have made these posts at least marginally interesting...

and Happy New Year!

Peace

Hey Steve,
I doubt anybody would increase the league attendance by 8 for the sake of one team however unfair their exclusion.
But just to put Hardcore's absence into context, even if they had not judged Campaign, I have been told they will still have had to place as high as 3rd place pro to get above Shock.
So matter what we think, if they had done better in the season, like Storm, they would be in, but they didn't.
But saying that, I do believe they are one of the best teams Europe has to offer.


Peace

 

[Itchy]

I disagree BW...

That's the *AMERICAN* model of a Pro league. While I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's not the only model. Europeans do their sports a little different, where the league is the league, and the pro teams earn their spots through competition. When you stink, you lose your spot, and some up-and-coming team takes it.

As to other topics, arbitrarily tying teams to cities in Europe is a bad idea - it's ok in the states because it's fairly mono-cultural. It'll look a little odd when you go to interview the Berlin Ducklings and all the players speak Danish.

More US teams in the EXL is a bad idea. It's the EXL. Figure out who the best European teams are, have them play the best American teams.

There's no reason to accomodate Strange or Dynasty. Who gives a crap if they played last year? The NXL is supporting X Ball, not Dynasty or Strange, so why should Dynasty or Strange be involved? They decided what they wanted to play last year, they're going to have to deal with the political ramifications of that, which apparently includes only having 4 Millenium events to play. The Europeans want to play the top NXL teams at the end of the year. Who is in a position to make that happen, the NXL or Dynasty and Strange? That's who gets to play.

And what's this crap about NPPL being "isolated"? Millenium has 8 events, half are X Ball and half are 7-man at the pro level, and they're ALL 7-man at any other level. It seems to me that if anything is the side-show, it's the X Ball. Esp. if you consider that the apparent extremely world-marketable teams (Dynasty/Strange) are playing 7-man, along with quite possibly most of the EXL teams. If anything, to me it looks like the EXL is just where Europeans play to hide from Dynasty.

 

[Itchy]

Originally posted by Robbo
So matter what we think, if they had done better in the season, like Storm, they would be in, but they didn't.

Really? I don't know about that. Who would be out?

You're saying that they would have made it if they had done better in the system that was arbitrarily picked to justify the selection of the teams.

Except if they had done better, then that system wouldn't have justified the teams selected, so some other system would have likely been arbitrarily picked.

Pick the best 8 tems for the EXL. Accept that it is not wholly dependent on last year's performance in any ranking system.

Russian Legion, Nexus, Tontons, etc. are in because the EXL needs those teams. Does the EXL need Hardcore? I don't know. Does the EXL need Hardcore more than one of the other teams that are in? If so, switch 'em. If not, tough. The goal is to build a successful league, not be nice or fair.

 

[Robbo]

Actually the Millennium is now gonna have 9 events next year with the first being in Portugal and the last in Malaga.
Niall asked me to stick this up by the way.
Now all the teams who are not gonna play XBall have 5 events to play in so this should go some way to appeasing some people.
The detials of all these proposed events will soon be put up, probably after Xmas, so keep yer eyes peeled !

 

[Itchy]

Geez...

That's one way to make your events smaller to get into smaller venues. Just have 10 of them. Or 9. And let the teams dilute themselves over the subset of the events they can play.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Itchy
Really? I don't know about that. Who would be out?

You're saying that they would have made it if they had done better in the system that was arbitrarily picked to justify the selection of the teams.

Except if they had done better, then that system wouldn't have justified the teams selected, so some other system would have likely been arbitrarily picked.

Pick the best 8 tems for the EXL. Accept that it is not wholly dependent on last year's performance in any ranking system.

Russian Legion, Nexus, Tontons, etc. are in because the EXL needs those teams. Does the EXL need Hardcore? I don't know. Does the EXL need Hardcore more than one of the other teams that are in? If so, switch 'em. If not, tough. The goal is to build a successful league, not be nice or fair.

Itchy, for the most part I don't disagree with you but imagine you are one of the Millennium board and they do as you advise, imagine the flack they would come in for.
I know you are gonna come back to me by saying they are coming in for some cr@p now but I think it would be worse for them if they went ahead and just picked the teams.
Give me the power and I will do it in a heartbeat coz I don't really give a **** if I piss anybody off but the board are being more politic about proceedings.
In fact, I would put forward people like Joern Windler, Beard, Steve Morris and Laurent to choose the 8.
I know Laurent has vested interests in so far as Ton Tons but I do believe these would be put on the back shelf for the purposes of selection and in any case, Ton Tons would without doubt be included in whatever process was chosen.
Joern, Beard and Steve have no vested interests but all know the requirements and teams. I ain't advocating these peopel for any other reason than I think they will do the right thing for the right reasons and before anybody starts shouting they are on my side or my best friends, bull, these guys ain't like that as anybody who knows them can tell you.
It's just an idea if we ain't gonna run national tournaments to see who get in.

 

[Red_Merkin]

alright, i'm going to throw my two cents in here:

First of all, i think the Europe part of the EXL should be dropped.
The beauty of the Millennium and a large part of it's success in past has been due to the fact that it's open to teams from all over the world. Making the top level a euro only event is crap, cause it's going to devalue the level of competition of the events. Teams need to step up and play to the american level, especially when we're talking about X-ball.

So what i propose is that you run a World X-ball league, Millennium X-ball, whatever you decide to call it. Open it to 16 teams, 10 euro spots battleing for the spots in Miami against the NXL, (call this the EXL title), but also have a Millennium X-ball league title, and Maybe even a World X-ball title. Teams playing in the league could win three titles if they were good enough.

To make 16 teams, have two NXL spaces (as has been planned) and open 4 spaces up for other international teams. Dynasty, Strange, Bad Company, and Bushwackers have all supported the Millennium Series and would probably commit to the league. (Some would be insulted not to be involved).

Now i'm not a participant in X-ball this year (unless something drastic happens so i'm speaking as a spectator here.

I love watching American teams play, and kick the crap out of Euro teams, but i love watching Euros kick the crap out of American teams even more. American teams are more marketable than Euro teams, and the Euro teams that have jumped on board American Style have really thrived (Joy, Nexus, TonTons, and the Legion), as Marketable Identifable teams. Going to an all Euro League would critically wound the Euro Paintball, both as an industry and a sport.

Please Please, keep the Yanks in Euro X-ball. Pick teams based on their ability to market them selves, if Millennium X-ball is a showcase of the best paintball then you want the teams that showcase them selves the best. It actually has very little to do with who is the best, but rather with who puts on the best show.
At least in my mind that's how it is...