Adam, was the original WPS ranking system used or this tweaked version ?
I know it's academic coz it threw up the same 8 as qualifiers.
Whitch teams to play the exl???
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I know it's academic coz it threw up the same 8 as qualifiers.
9 ?????
U r kiddding right?????
Let's make it 13 or 17 or even 23.
Jeeez Steve, get yer head outa Hardcore's ass for a second and stop trying to curry favour.
I could think of a lot worse places my head could be, like up my own ass!
I ain't trying to curry no favors. I'm just expressing an opinion about a way to include ALL the teams that would evidently do a great job of representing Europe.
How can having one more team hurt anything anyway? Maybe there are some factors I am unaware of, such as an agreement between Millennium and NXL that there absolutely cannot be more than 8 Euroteams in the EXL. Whatever the case, I think my suggestion is valid.
Steve
So if we accept your suggestion that the qualifying field should be extended to 9 (I'll ignore the fact that 9 is not a natural number for ease of playing out the tourney) then how can we defend against number 10, number 11 and so on into absurdium ?
You do this once, no matter what your reasons, you immediately create a precedent that allows each and every pro and wannabee pro to have just cause for entry.
As Beard has now demonstrated, Hardcore did not do enough last season, it's as simple as that !
O.K. I see your point (and Beard's) that the line must be drawn somewhere. If drawing it at 9 doesn't help create a group that is clearly distinguished from the rest, then 8 it must be.
I still (for lack of good reasons not to) believe a more "natural" number for double-elimination tournaments would be a total of 16. To repeat: 10 or 11 Euros, 2 NXLs and 3 or 4 other top teams.
But if it must be 8 Euros then it must be.
Steve
It doesn't have to be 8 !
It is obvious that 8 and 16 are extremely convenient numbers when running a double elimination format with 8 being the most convenient if the following two premises are accepted.
And these are :- the best Euro teams should be represented and the quality of the teams in the league should be such that each team is prepared financially and has the depth in terms of roster and quality of play.
We could run 16, I don't know about the logistical side of things but the effect of having another 8 pro teams on board, half of whom would jump ship before the end of the season would be a recipe for disaster.
It's no good saying we could fill those spots with Yank teams, that ain't gonna happen on any consistent basis either.
8 just happens to be the most convenient and most logical.
Pete ?
According to "natural" numbers we should have 6 Euroteams + 2 NXL. That's one way. If a total of 12 teams is better as you say, then lets go with 10 Euroteams.
But like a recording I still believe in a total of 16.
I can only express what I personally like and my vision of what good Millennium X Ball competition should be. And how I believe it would be good in many ways.
I really would like to see Dynasty, Strange, Bad Company, Bushwackers and even Naughty Dogs, Brass Eagle and Viewloader. Why? Because I enjoy watching many of these teams playing, they include some of the best in the world and some of them are my friends. Several of them tend to attract attention and draw crowds. And they can increase the level of competition for everyone's good, not least the Euroteams who participate.
I really would like to see a couple of NXL teams. Why? Because I enjoy watching these teams playing, they are some of the best in the world and some of them are my friends. They tend to attract attention and draw crowds. And they can increase the level of competition for everyone's good, not least the Euroteams who participate.
I would like to see the 10 or 11 best pro Euroteams. Why? Because the differences in playing skills and winning ability between say Hardcore, Shockwave, Ignition and some others in the bottom five aren't much compared with some of the teams in the top five. And I think the top 10 or 11 would represent European paintball famously.
All of the above added together would make for the most attractive and exciting X Ball in the world.
INCLUSION within the limits of 16 teams is what I'd like to see and I believe it is what is best for the Millennium series.
Steve
Good points, Nick,
According to "natural" numbers we should have 6 Euroteams + 2 NXL. That's one way. If a total of 12 teams is better as you say, then lets go with 10 Euroteams.
But like a recording I still believe in a total of 16.
I can only express what I personally like and my vision of what good Millennium X Ball competition should be. And how I believe it would be good in many ways.
I really would like to see Dynasty, Strange, Bad Company, Bushwackers and even Naughty Dogs, Brass Eagle and Viewloader. Why? Because I enjoy watching many of these teams playing, they include some of the best in the world and some of them are my friends. Several of them tend to attract attention and draw crowds. And they can increase the level of competition for everyone's good, not least the Euroteams who participate.
I really would like to see a couple of NXL teams. Why? Because I enjoy watching these teams playing, they are some of the best in the world and some of them are my friends. They tend to attract attention and draw crowds. And they can increase the level of competition for everyone's good, not least the Euroteams who participate.
I would like to see the 10 or 11 best pro Euroteams. Why? Because the differences in playing skills and winning ability between say Hardcore, Shockwave, Ignition and some others in the bottom five aren't much compared with some of the teams in the top five. And I think the top 10 or 11 would represent European paintball famously.
All of the above added together would make for the most attractive and exciting X Ball in the world.
INCLUSION within the limits of 16 teams is what I'd like to see and I believe it is what is best for the Millennium series.
Steve
Re: Pete ?
The PSP has gone to some lengths to try and separate the NXL identity from the regular PSP events even though they currently need a "host" to operate. The EXL won't be any different.
Project out a bit into the future and see how this sounds to you. A) we routinely hear that the PSP is losing money hand over fist, particularly in competing for quality with the NPPL.
B) in order to be short term economically feasible the NXL must piggy-back PSP events.
So, if the NXL should become a sufficient success to stand alone, begin appearing on TV and start generating revenue what happens to the money losing national pay-to-play series? (There is a logic to keeping it alive but no guarantee and certainly no obvious "trickle down" effect.)
Is it a huge leap to project that to the MS?
Here I believe is the crux of the problem, Steve. The EXL, whether a success or not, has nothing to do with the MS. It only "appears" to because of the teams potentially involved and those making the decisions. The NXL model for approaching mass media acceptance is, by it's very nature and design, exclusive.
The PSP has gone to some lengths to try and separate the NXL identity from the regular PSP events even though they currently need a "host" to operate. The EXL won't be any different.
Project out a bit into the future and see how this sounds to you. A) we routinely hear that the PSP is losing money hand over fist, particularly in competing for quality with the NPPL.
B) in order to be short term economically feasible the NXL must piggy-back PSP events.
So, if the NXL should become a sufficient success to stand alone, begin appearing on TV and start generating revenue what happens to the money losing national pay-to-play series? (There is a logic to keeping it alive but no guarantee and certainly no obvious "trickle down" effect.)
Is it a huge leap to project that to the MS?
Steve !
I can't help lamenting already the days when we had Dynasty, Strange and the others over here on a regular basis.
Of course I do think the EXL events can still be great and achieve their purposes.
Steve
O.K. then I don't need to keep repeating the idea. I just don't agree with your conclusion even though you're most likely right that it ain't gonna happen the way I think best.
I can't help lamenting already the days when we had Dynasty, Strange and the others over here on a regular basis.
Of course I do think the EXL events can still be great and achieve their purposes.
Steve