Whitch teams to play the exl???

[Royan HC]

If you take out the us teams and only keep the euro tems we would have finished:
Toulose 8
mega campo 5
max masters 6
mayhem 8
joy 4

and if you do the same thing white the milleniumranking we
finished: 7

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Royan HC
If you take out the us teams and only keep the euro tems we would have finished:
Toulose 8
mega campo 5
max masters 6
mayhem 8
joy 4

and if you do the same thing white the milleniumranking we
finished: 7

Royan, the point is this, the main moan that seems to be constantly repeated is that you judged Campaign when you could have played.
You say (or rather some of you say) that this kept you guys out.
Now you can't just deduct the Yank teams (this makes no sense at all) because if you had played Campaign, this would have been your opportunity to gain a position that would have given you extra points for the series.
If you had needed 7th place at Campaign to get in then it seems even if you had played, you would more than likely not have placed high enough to gain the place that some of you guys are constantly telling us all you were robbed of.
Just my opinion..and of course backed up by your results over the season.....points wise I am talking about here.

But I do see where you are going by taking the Yanks out because this does suggest you do indeed qualify but as you know, we amass points throughout the season in playing NPPL and Millennium tourneys.
The American teams who attend Millenniums affect all Euro teams positions when they come over and as such are a common denominator when assessing relative point positions between Euro teams.
I'm afraid it makes no sense to take them out of the equation Royan as we have all played against them when they came over.

 

[Wadidiz]

Robbo has suggested a play-off before. Let's simplify this even further:

Nexus plays Hardcore in a game of X Ball. ASAP.

Then we can lay to rest which team is best and should be included.

Hardcore followed the series system and judged, that doesn't mean they performed less poorly. And God knows Millennium needed good pro teams to ref. We'll never know how well HC would have performed had they played Campaign. As I recall from a conversation with some of the HC guys, they would have much preferred to have played.

So, make some plans for an X Ball game. It can be in Copenhagen or Amsterdam. I'll be glad to get some judges together and help.

How 'bout it?

Steve

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
Robbo has suggested a play-off before. Let's simplify this even further:

Nexus plays Hardcore in a game of X Ball. ASAP.

Then we can lay to rest which team is best and should be included.

Hardcore followed the series system and judged, that doesn't mean they performed less poorly. And God knows Millennium needed good pro teams to ref. We'll never know how well HC would have performed had they played Campaign. As I recall from a conversation with some of the HC guys, they would have much preferred to have played.

So, make some plans for an X Ball game. It can be in Copenhagen or Amsterdam. I'll be glad to get some judges together and help.

How 'bout it?

Steve

Steve, were u born stupid or u just practicing ?

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Robbo
Steve, were u born stupid or u just practicing ?

I guess I was born stupid but am just smart enough to realize that I have to practice a lot to maintain it.

You suggested a play-off as one possible alternative, and I know it wasn't meant so seriously. But my twisted little mind started fancying the idea of seeing a play-off for the 8 spots, if it has to be 8 spots.

So perhaps it is stupid to just have Nexus v Hardcore. We should get up to 16 Euroteams that can make the necessary commitment into a play-off.

We would then find out which 8 teams play better and win the most right now. At least we would settle that matter.

Of course it ain't gonna happen but I can still dream.

I get more and more of a feeling of "what's gonna happen is gonna happen". Gonna be 8 Euroteams.

I just think it would be better to open the doors a little bit wider so that we don't lose a team or two that are at least as good as some of the "sure bets", at least from a playing standpoint.

 

[sykesg]

Originally posted by Robbo
Hey Gareth, in advocating the representation of different countries in the EXL, I realize it compromises the ethos of having the best teams, but not much.
At the moment we aren't really doing that anyway, so why not go all the way to having a diverse and fair representation of European counties.
After all, if we are already compromising the said ethos by adopting a world ranking system to determine who goes through then we can't really criticise another being suggested that does the same as the one we are already using
But Gareth, rest easy mate, it ain't gonna happen, not all the time Baldrick's invovled

Hi Pete

I would like to think that our inclusion has nowt to do with Balders and everything to do with being in the top 8 euros in every ranking system we could use - MS and WPS with and without reffing points.

See you on the field

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by sykesg
Hi Pete

I would like to think that our inclusion has nowt to do with Balders and everything to do with being in the top 8 euros in every ranking system we could use - MS and WPS with and without reffing points.

100% correct mate !

 

[Robbo]

There are various ways you can do this, and as long as the system is fair, the results will generally be the same as Nick has just shown.
Perhaps, we should be asking why on earth the WPS was constructed the way it was (mathematically) and why on earth, after it was already condemned by one of the board as being useless, it was then used to determine one of the most sensitive qualifications in European paintball.
I think I already know the answer to this but it would be kinda cool to hear from somebody…Beard, wanna come in at this point?

 

[Beard]

I have reworked the WPS rankings to still allow for American results but modelled the points on the Millennium structure, which I think is the fairest system. The Millennium points take into account the number of teams in that division. The WPS uses the best 6 results from any of the Millennium, NPPL & PSP events.

964 Points: Russian Legion (Played 7)
901 Points: TonTon (Played 8)
696 Points: Nexus (Played 7)
606 Points: Joy Division (Played 6)
506 Points: Shockwave (Played 6)
475 Points: Ugly Ducklings (Played 6)
472 Points: London Tigers (Played 5)
368 Points: Ignition (Played 5)
344 Points: Hardcore (Played 5)

The last 3 teams all judged one event If we were to give them all an average score Hardcore would end up on 413 Points which is still short of the last placed team that played 6 or more events.

Which ever way we work things someone will always be disappointed, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

Happy Christmas All,

Adam

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Beard
964 Points: Russian Legion (Played 7)
901 Points: TonTon (Played 8)
696 Points: Nexus (Played 7)
606 Points: Joy Division (Played 6)
506 Points: Shockwave (Played 6)
475 Points: Ugly Ducklings (Played 6)
472 Points: London Tigers (Played 5)
368 Points: Ignition (Played 5)
344 Points: Hardcore (Played 5)

Which ever way we work things someone will always be disappointed, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

With all respect, and understanding that there are probably factors here I'm unaware of...

Why not draw the line UNDER Hardcore? What's wrong with 9 Euroteams? Especially since that would pretty much end the controversy. I could easily visualize Hardcore beating any team in the bottom 4. Include them.

IMHO

Steve