Whitch teams to play the exl???

[sjt19]

Promotion/Relegation

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff


I have heard everyone talking about the EXL as "closed" - so my thinking is that means no promotion/relegation.

There will be NO relegeation from the EXL at the end of this season. All 8 Euro teams will be offered a spot in the 2005 EXL if they meet the contract stipulations of the MS Board, i.e they attend all 4 EXL events, and attend the WC meet if they qualify

Whether any teams will be promoted and the league expanded, i have no idea

 

[Itchy]

Ya know, one thing strikes me as odd...

And suddenly so, I hadn't thought about this earlier.

There's a rather big assumption here, and that's that the EXL needs to be made of current pro teams with their current rosters. Thus the "How many British teams?" etc.

Why is this the assumption? I'm starting to think the Nation's Cup format is the way to go with the EXL. Maybe not country teams, but a German team, French team, British team (or two), etc, each "from" a city in that country. And you pick the best PLAYERS from that country to make up that team. Hell, players could even be "borrowed" from other countries - if Germany is finding themselves short on talent, they could recruit a few British or Scandanavian players to flesh out their roster.

And the existing pro teams can play Superleague as-is.

As I recall, the big problem with Nation's Cup was that you were playing in the evening during events you were also playing during the day on your "real" team. With 8 or 9 events and the EXL events separate from the Premiere/Super/whatever league events, that problem is gone. You also don't need to worry about how to allow teams to move into and out of the EXL - you just move players in and out instead, like the NXL does now.

I realize that players may not particularly like the idea of not playing with their current teams for the EXL, but to that I say... "Suck it up". It's not about what you want. Well, it *IS* about what you want - and you have to choose - do you want a European professional level X Ball league that will work and have a shot at out-of-industry money and TV and allow you to compete against Pro teams from the states, or do you want to play with the same people you're playing with now? You're going to have to give up the latter if you want to pay anything other than lip service to the former.

As has been said already, if the EXL is to work, it needs to be handled like a BUSINESS. Put the teams in the right places, put the best players on those teams, and forget about where players are playing now.

Don't entirely scrap last year - just fix the problems. Seems like a lot of what made last year not work has already been fixed. Don't go mucking it up by trying to appease team captains.


8 teams:

London Royals
Berlin Machine
Madrid Heat
Rome Empire
Moscow Chill
Paris Surrender
...
You get the idea.

 

[Robbo]

Ya know, one thing strikes me as odd...

Originally posted by Itchy
And suddenly so, I hadn't thought about this earlier.

There's a rather big assumption here, and that's that the EXL needs to be made of current pro teams with their current rosters. Thus the "How many British teams?" etc.

Why is this the assumption? I'm starting to think the Nation's Cup format is the way to go with the EXL. Maybe not country teams, but a German team, French team, British team (or two), etc, each "from" a city in that country. And you pick the best PLAYERS from that country to make up that team. Hell, players could even be "borrowed" from other countries - if Germany is finding themselves short on talent, they could recruit a few British or Scandanavian players to flesh out their roster.

And the existing pro teams can play Superleague as-is.

As I recall, the big problem with Nation's Cup was that you were playing in the evening during events you were also playing during the day on your "real" team. With 8 or 9 events and the EXL events separate from the Premiere/Super/whatever league events, that problem is gone. You also don't need to worry about how to allow teams to move into and out of the EXL - you just move players in and out instead, like the NXL does now.

I realize that players may not particularly like the idea of not playing with their current teams for the EXL, but to that I say... "Suck it up". It's not about what you want. Well, it *IS* about what you want - and you have to choose - do you want a European professional level X Ball league that will work and have a shot at out-of-industry money and TV and allow you to compete against Pro teams from the states, or do you want to play with the same people you're playing with now? You're going to have to give up the latter if you want to pay anything other than lip service to the former.
As has been said already, if the EXL is to work, it needs to be handled like a BUSINESS. Put the teams in the right places, put the best players on those teams, and forget about where players are playing now.
Don't entirely scrap last year - just fix the problems. Seems like a lot of what made last year not work has already been fixed. Don't go mucking it up by trying to appease team captains.
8 teams:
London Royals
Berlin Machine
Madrid Heat
Rome Empire
Moscow Chill
Paris Surrender
You get the idea.

Nice idea, wrong method !

Germany, Sweden, Denmark, France, Russia, Spain, Portugal, England and whoever.


One team from each :-

Go on rankings, if people bitch, like I know some will, play a deciding series of games between them, that'll sort the real teams out

Failing that....let's all just carry on with the confusion, misunderstandings, bullcr@p and self-interest

Yo ho ho !!!

 

[Buddha 3]

Paople are looking at this slightly ascew

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Once more money flows into the sport in Europe, and we can start paying players to play, we can go out and secure players from other countries - and THEN we can situate teams whereever it makes the most sense from a marketing standpoint.

But the fear that I have is that this money will never arrive in this way.
No major company will pump money into a league that has two teams in a country with less than 10 million, while an 80 plus million country gets none. It ain't gonna happen! I'd love to be proven wrong though, I really do. But I feel that the only change will be the league and format the top teams play in, and nothing much more...

 

[Jaime Menino]

Paople are looking at this slightly ascew

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
...Sure we can base a team in the Iberian peninsula or Germany, but the player base in those countries will not allow them to create a team that can compete at the highest level.
...Nick

I'm sorry to disagree but in Portugal we have more than 20 7man teams, and more than 20 5man teams.
You don't see them on MS but they participate on national tournies

Spain also as is fair number of teams.

Cheers
Jaime

 

[sykesg]

Originally posted by Robbo
Nice idea, wrong method !

Germany, Sweden, Denmark, France, Russia, Spain, Portugal, England and whoever.


One team from each :-

Go on rankings, if people bitch, like I know some will, play a deciding series of games between them, that'll sort the real teams out

Failing that....let's all just carry on with the confusion, misunderstandings, bullcr@p and self-interest

Yo ho ho !!!

Hi Pete,

'the king returns' superb film!!!!

One from each country?


The EXL is a showcase to the best europe has to offer. If England is lucky enough to have three of the best teams in europe, therefore three in the top eight then thats great news. But they shouldn't be cut to make room for teams from other countries who don't have the ranking, financial backing, sponsorship or infrastructure to compete with the likes of us, you, legion, ton-ton and joy. Not to mention they have to be up and running in time for the 2004 season.

 

[Buddha 3]

I ain't saying teams or players need to be cut, dammit....

But to avoid going around in circles like a dog chasing it's own tail, I'd just like to say this to all the players that look to be part of the EXL package:
Before you guys start doing your little "happy happy joy joy, I'm part of the big league" dance, I hope you realise one thing.
With all that the EXL is aimed to be, you are not playing for yourself, you don't represent your respective cities, you don't even represent your countries. You represent me, every tournament paintballer, every Euro kid that aspires to once hold the Cup aloft, indeed every guy or girl in Europe that coughs up what little money they have in order to shoot some paint at eachother in their backyard bush.
Don't fail us, we are watching. Whatever the eventual league structure will be, whether we agree with the set up or not, you guys are the hand of cards that we are riding on. So ofcourse we wish you all the best of luck, because in the end your fortune will be ours as well.
Just remember that since you represent us in a way, we also have the right to bitch at times

So to all people that end up playing the EXL, you know how I feel, but I got your back none the less.

 

[Itchy]

Short-sighted.

Common problem in paintball over the past 20 years - people are so worried about maintining hteir short-term best interest (even short-term whims) that they don't give any regard to their own long-term best interest.

If you're not willing to take the right steps now to make the league work in the long run because you can't do something as petty as play under an odd city name or shuffle teams around a bit, the only person you're hurting is yourself when you can't get the outside of industry support that you want.

What is the EXL supposed to be?

A way for the top existing teams to play X Ball?

Or a way for paintball to have a true professional level circuit in Europe that will ultimately result in TV exposure, paid players, etc?

In the very least, one or two of those British teams should pretend to be from somewhere else. The advertisers will never know the difference.

Prioritize folks.

 

[Magnus HC]

Hmmmm....

I still would like to know why the marshalling points can´t be inkl??!?? It´s part of the series to marshall and they are inkl in the final standing. Both in the millennium, nppl and the WPS.
It´s a bit of dubbel standard is it not???

M

 

[sjt19]

The argument is is that the reffing points are no reflection of how good a team is. Some teams are good marshalls and not as good players, whwereas other teams are crap judges (Dynasty ) but good teams