Wassup with Robbie the Robot at HB

[shamu]

Originally posted by Beaker
well, we played each field and only the guy on the JT field seemed to really try and shoot the guns, the rest just did the clearing shots and the 3 over.

That was my field. Matt is a Matrix/Timmy/Ecocker tech and I showed him how I wanted him to check guns. He must have done a good job, because they moved him to the NPPL field for semi-finals and finals.

Now this is just my ignorance shamu, but if you guys see a gun mid game that is obviously "turboing" do you pull him up for it? check the guns post game or anything? or is it just at the chrono that guns can get pulled up.

If the ref knows the gun is "turboing", then yes, he can eliminate the player and confiscate the gun during the game. But that's pretty rare, as you have to be absolutely positive. What's more common is the ref will take the gun as soon as the player is eliminated or the game is over and check it. If the gun is illegal, the penalty gets assessed then (player suspension)

plus a big thing was you got chrono'd and then just stood around, there was no check at all to keep the guns in sight, not played with etc. I'd much prefer to see a rack at each fields like Campaing had that once a gun was chronoed it was put in so a) the judge can see it isn't being tampered with and b) you can count who has and hasn't been chronoed as they never even seemed to know if they had done 7 from each team.

It wasn't that bad, but some fairly obvious things got through the net and I think a few simple things would greately stop that

I agree with that. I wanted all guns to be on the ground once they were chrono'd in. Matt can tell you I was pretty clear on that Using racks is a good idea. I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Baca Loco]

reality check

Originally posted by shamu
That's why the draconian penalties...

Hey, Whale. Question--What are the draconian penalties? (Yes, I'm too damned lazy to go read the rules...) And are you aware of any time during the event they were imposed on anybody or any team?

I'm curious cus there's already plenty of internet chatter about ol' Robbie being nothing more than a scare tactic and it has been suggested in other threads if the penalties aren't actually enforced it matters little how draconian they is.

 

[Beaker]

If the ref knows the gun is "turboing", then yes, he can eliminate the player and confiscate the gun during the game. But that's pretty rare, as you have to be absolutely positive. What's more common is the ref will take the gun as soon as the player is eliminated or the game is over and check it. If the gun is illegal, the penalty gets assessed then (player suspension)

How often did that happen on your field?

As for racks, there's a pick of them in a PGi somewhere for sure. I know before our game with the bushwackers they were all fiddling with teh eblade grips in the chrono tent after they had been chronoed, it might just have been to set timers or something but it still shouldn't have happened.

Oh, and I was playing with the Saints from NZ - what ref were you on the JT field? I went to the sea-tape cheese in the corner and we played towards the SysX field both times.

 

[shamu]

Re: reality check

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Hey, Whale. Question--What are the draconian penalties? (Yes, I'm too damned lazy to go read the rules...) And are you aware of any time during the event they were imposed on anybody or any team?

I'd have to check the rulebook to confirm but IIRC it's ejection for the team and forfeit of all series points from that event. I know there were a couple of players suspended at the tournament but I think they were all conduct based (throwing the gun, physical contact, etc).

Beaker -

I was the tower ref on the JT field. I think you guys won at least one game on our field because I remember talking to one of your guys after the game.

If we want to check a gun, we usually go over to the player at the end of the game and say "Let me see your gun", then do whatever it is we need to test. I tested probably half a dozen guns this way over the course of the event but didn't find anything too outrageous. Some people just have damn fast fingers

 

[Booya39]

Originally posted by shamu
It's the e-cocker or timmy that shoot five shots per trigger pull, or go full auto with little or no effort.

EXACTLY!!!
then why are the refs rejecting guns at the chrono when they do the 1 extra shot bounce? ...if you're really concerned about the 5 shot/full auto guns.

Originally posted by shamu
To say those don't exist, or that no one tries to get them on the field is bull.

The thing is that those guns are very easy to spot. You can hear them! I was watching games all weekend and time after time I saw guns that would jump up for a string and then go back down in rof. Never did I see a ref approach any of these players to check their gun.

... so then once again WHY are these guns checked at the chrono so vigorously???

 

[noop]

Originally posted by Beaker
I know before our game with the bushwackers they were all fiddling with teh eblade grips in the chrono tent after they had been chronoed, it might just have been to set timers or something but it still shouldn't have happened.

Not to worry, I asked them what they were doing and they said they were just fixing their dwell.

 

[Gadget]

you can cheat with any software and gun to an extent. E-mags by changing the ROF (not locked out!)

Bit misleading this - yes you can alter the ROF, but I've _never_ seen an E-Mag which hasn't got its ROF set to the capped maximum. I can't see how modifying the ROF on the field would lead to any performance improvement unless you'd previously capped it ridiculously low - even then it would still be a legal one shot per pull unless you'd got the pressure cranked and had runaway in hybrid.

If you're referring to the shot buffer setting, then yeah I guess that might enable someone to induce bounce mid-game, but sitting and scrolling through the menu and adjusting the setting is neither quick nor easy to conceal and isn't guaranteed to lead to any kind of dodgy firing pattern.

Interesting thread tho.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by Gadget
Bit misleading this

No it's not. It's completely accurate and true. You can easily change the gun before or when playing, to cheat, if you are so inclined.

Originally posted by Gadget
I can't see how modifying the ROF on the field would lead to any performance improvement unless you'd previously capped it ridiculously low - even then it would still be a legal one shot per pull unless you'd got the pressure cranked and had runaway in hybrid.

I'm not talking about hybrid which is a whole nother kettle of fish.

Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not possible.

Originally posted by Gadget
If you're referring to the shot buffer setting, then yeah I guess that might enable someone to induce bounce mid-game, but sitting and scrolling through the menu and adjusting the setting is neither quick nor easy to conceal and isn't guaranteed to lead to any kind of dodgy firing pattern.

I wasn't referring to the shot buffer setting, but that's another good point, how do people know when the e-mag is in tourny mode? They don't check it and it's hard to tell. So with the new software that's another gun where you can 'dial in' or out bounce.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by noop
Not to worry, I asked them what they were doing and they said they were just fixing their dwell.

With a cocker you can't really adjust the dwell via electronic means... they must have been lieing to you.

 

[Booya39]

Originally posted by manike
With a cocker you can't really adjust the dwell via electronic means... they must have been lieing to you.

you're right, they were just turning their eyes back on after they chrono'd with them off, lol.