Violent Crimes Reduction Bill.

[Nickyboy]

I agree with what some people are trying to do with this petition, but I don't agree with the way this getting provided to the government.

Do we as paintballers want to get associated with "airsoft, air guns, re-enactment, living history, collecting etc" and all the other gun tooting wannabees.

Personally I'd want to disassociate myself with anyone who uses/plays or whatever with a marker that looks like the real thing. (Obviously ours do, but theres are subtle differences!)

In my eyes thats whats going to get banned, and I don't want my angel to be blanket covered by a law, thats meant for imitation 9mm Glocks. If you play airsoft and rock a marker like that then I'm not petitioning along side you.

 

[Raffles]

Nickyboy - I feel sorry for you if you think that the government are going to leave you alone because you have a shiny tourney marker.

You are already 'lumped in' with air-softers etc. You are part of the whole debate. You will get dropped like a stone by the powers that be - just like the rest of us.

To quote you "Personally I'd want to disassociate myself with anyone who uses/plays or whatever with a marker that looks like the real thing. (Obviously ours do, but theres are subtle differences!)".

Yes the differences are subtle - but not to joe public - and that is who the 'nanny state' are trying to protect.

It has a stock/bolt/trigger/barrel and can shoot things out of end at high speed - in an ordinary persons eyes - a gun!

Wake up dude - this DOES affect you!

 

[Nickyboy]

I'm awake, and quite right this does affect me. But by moving in the same direction as the governments branding of everything the same, you are ineffect petitioning to save something that cannot be saved.

I'd rather there was a hundred letters from professional paintballers with markers looking like:

http://www.freedomxpaintball.com/images/dm4.jpg

Rather then a thousand including ours and letters from poeple with these and worse:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://img2.kult-mag.com/images/perso/airsoft.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gamekult.com/tout/actus/cahiers/A0000036883.html&h=723&w=720&sz=110&tbnid=egu4xZoyFdwJ:&tbnh=139&tbnw=138&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images?q=airsoft&hl=en&lr=&sa=G

 

[mad dog]

Originally posted by Headshot Apoc
Thats what I was getting at, The way the tabloids are at the moment we could quite easily get slapped about after another incident like that, But we have been an easy target for a long time now,

And I guess if we aren't getting off our collective arses and licensing ourselves then when an 'incident' occurs and we get the nice people in power all upset we should expect to get shafted!

One of the main problems in PB in the Uk seams to be all the different powers pulling in different directions, When are we going to get taken seriously if even in such a minority 'sport' as this no one can agree one standard set of rules!!

we need one organising body actually organising things, then we can do all the stuff Mr Skeetmaster says, or something similar. Lets face it even if registration cost us all £25 for the year we shouldn't complain, anyone who plays a millenium round gets mugged for nearly hat just to have their face on a piece of plastic! And this sort of registration could protect and regulate the 'sport'

enough rambling, straying off topic

This was all mentioned years ago by me and was put in an edition of PBUK even and shall I tell you the response I got. hardly any.

Why?

Because paintballer's don't care that's why until its to late.

I have all the documentation set up and even had a web site set up for it as I understand steve bull has just done as well.

The hardest part is checking people out and they are who they say they are, that takes phone calls and credential checks.

I have all the paperwork already set up for this and stored ready to put into action and was going to charge £15.00 registration and then have a data base open to the general public (ballers) to identify marker by serial numbers etc, that way when you buy a marker it has a history and in theory will also know if its been stolen.

Well maybe now is the right time for it all to happen but its not going to be easy.

I will be speaking to steve on this matter soon to see where we go from here, as i spent nearly half a year ironing out the paperwork.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by mad dog
This was all mentioned years ago by me and was put in an edition of PBUK even and shall I tell you the response I got. hardly any.

Why?

Because paintballer's don't care that's why until its to late.

I have all the documentation set up and even had a web site set up for it as I understand steve bull has just done as well.

The hardest part is checking people out and they are who they say they are, that takes phone calls and credential checks.

I have all the paperwork already set up for this and stored ready to put into action and was going to charge £15.00 registration and then have a data base open to the gemeral public (ballers) to identify marker by serial numbers etc, that way when you buy a marker it has a history and in theory will also know if its been stolen.

Well maybe now is the right time for it all to happen but its not going to be easy.

I will be speaking to steve on this matter soon to see where we go from here, as i spent nearly half a year ironing out the paperwork.

Problem is as you say Mark, the majority of ballers are lazy b'stards.
I'm wondering though if rather then marker registration we should be doing player registration.
Maybe a 'no ukpsf id, no allowed to buy marker or play... anywhere' policy would work?

 

[mad dog]

Originally posted by Collier
Problem is as you say Mark, the majority of ballers are lazy b'stards.
I'm wondering though if rather then marker registration we should be doing player registration.
Maybe a 'no ukpsf id, no allowed to buy marker or play... anywhere' policy would work?

Yer well combine the two whatever is easier, funny how the internet is a powerful tool.

We should look at a player registration yes, with a Uk Number for that player, but then we can convert that number from id to marker which would of made my job easier in making sure the player is who they said they was. for marker registration.

Hense a logical step forward and a place where markers can be checked openly and returned by way of information if stolen and identified.


Maybe it should be combined in a registration at a reduced price along with UKPSF membership?

Bingo!

 

[MattyMorgan69]

I am totally fine with the ideas of trying to protect the sport ect. but something that crossed my mind was that registration, by marker or player, will affect the younger/shyer/layzier element, making the sport harder to get into.
Not quite sure how to word it; but i could imagine MANY of my freinds or people i have played being put off buying that first marker/joining that first team because of the hassall of having to register or finding age restrictions.

Just fuel for thought, apologies if this idea has already been posted.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by MattyMorgan69
I am totally fine with the ideas of trying to protect the sport ect. but something that crossed my mind was that registration, by marker or player, will affect the younger/shyer/layzier element, making the sport harder to get into.
Not quite sure how to word it; but i could imagine MANY of my freinds or people i have played being put off buying that first marker/joining that first team because of the hassall of having to register or finding age restrictions.

Just fuel for thought, apologies if this idea has already been posted.

Gotta have a licence to own a fishing rod, I don't see that putting off young people and that involves going to the disgrace that we call the post office!!

Mark, yep agree with you there mate.

 

[mad dog]

Originally posted by MattyMorgan69
I am totally fine with the ideas of trying to protect the sport ect. but something that crossed my mind was that registration, by marker or player, will affect the younger/shyer/layzier element, making the sport harder to get into.
Not quite sure how to word it; but i could imagine MANY of my freinds or people i have played being put off buying that first marker/joining that first team because of the hassall of having to register or finding age restrictions.

Just fuel for thought, apologies if this idea has already been posted.

Good point!

But could'nt we could have a temporay pass or something with the age restriction in place, hense a full member could sanction a temporary pass on site from a competition point of view.

Guardian type of thing..... 1 day pass for that competition hense we still have a minimum amount of details needed allowing the player to play.

 

[Skeet]

See my post...its all there