Violent Crimes Reduction Bill.

[Jake]

I'm really not trying to pick a fight here, so go easy mate

Paintball guns might be banned because police officers shot a man carrying a table/chair leg in a carrier bag and paintball guns look more like guns than a chair/table leg? Or have I missed your point regarding the afore mentioned case which I will not name anymore for fear of libel action?

I am also aware he had stiches and that he was recovering from surgery, I also know people who have had surgery that are still perfectly capable of levelling a firearm. I also know a bit about his background and previous incidents involving "him".

I'm not being sensationalist and I do feel strongly about the case because it has been largely mis reported in the press. I'm not going to get drawn into any pedantic forum one upmanship. My information regarding the case comes from people I work with as well as other documentation.

Is the bit of wood you refer to gun shaped? Have you told the person your marker or bit of wood is a gun?

I don't plan on testing your argument either. I don't think it would go down too well.

Does anyone want to get back to whatever the point was in the first place? I think I may have misplaced it?!

 

[sumo89]

i knew the guy who got shot by the police on the motorway cos he was driveing down the rong side then got and and had a wooden fake sword so they shot him . Police willl have any excuse to use force or stop you doing things

 

[JoseDominguez]

Originally posted by Jake
I'm really not trying to pick a fight here, so go easy mate

Paintball guns might be banned because police officers shot a man carrying a table/chair leg in a carrier bag and paintball guns look more like guns than a chair/table leg? Or have I missed your point regarding the afore mentioned case which I will not name anymore for fear of libel action?

I am also aware he had stiches and that he was recovering from surgery, I also know people who have had surgery that are still perfectly capable of levelling a firearm. I also know a bit about his background and previous incidents involving "him".

I'm not being sensationalist and I do feel strongly about the case because it has been largely mis reported in the press. I'm not going to get drawn into any pedantic forum one upmanship. My information regarding the case comes from people I work with as well as other documentation.

Is the bit of wood you refer to gun shaped? Have you told the person your marker or bit of wood is a gun?

I don't plan on testing your argument either. I don't think it would go down too well.

Does anyone want to get back to whatever the point was in the first place? I think I may have misplaced it?!

Simple point........ lots of posters saying "markers are safe, anyone can tell they aren't guns"

But.

Two experts with lots of training mistook a table leg for a shotgun...........

So, how in the name of hell can we expect markers to come out of this unscathed.

And one upmanship? Nope, you said I was wrong........ all I said was "a man was shot while armed with a table leg" You got me confused with a couple of other posters who genuinely had a misinformed go at the police

 

[Jake]

JoseDominguez

I agree with you that there are a large number of people in the UK who don't know their arse from their elbow let alone the difference between a gun and a paintball marker. I also agree with you that paintball markers are in danger of being lumped in with lots of other legislation doing the rounds at the minute.

My point was that the police officers who mistook the table leg for a gun had lots of other conflicting factors to take into account. I get annoyed that lots of people immediately jump to the wrong conclusions (Im not suggesting you have) without any knowledge of the facts. I also don't think that specific incident has anywhere near as much bearing on the legality of paintball markers as idiots who get hold of markers and use them inappropriately.

My first post wasn't meant to be having a go at you mate and it wasn't directed solely at you. It was in relation to a number of comments made by various people on this thread. It's just you were the first to reply, can't remember if I mentioned you by name or not? It may have been your post stuck in my mind the most as I read all the replies in one go.


And by the way sumo89 you obviously have no idea what you are talking about in any way shape or form so stop spouting ill thought out, untrue, generalising, stereotypical rubbish.

 

[Skeet]

Sumo mate...if what you said was true...I would not be sitting here today, that is for definate.

 

[Jasper]

Im probabaly wrong but after reading the bill the part about guns i dont think it will really affect paintball guns. The points about guns being:

Make it illegal to manufacture or sell imitation firearms that could be mistaken for real firearms;
Bring in higher sentences for carrying imitation firearms;
Create tougher manufacturing standards to ensure that imitation firearms can’t be converted to fire real ammunition;
Increase the age limit for buying or firing an air weapon without supervision from 17 to 18;
Make it an offence to use other people to hide or carry guns or knives;

Now to me what it says is that any imitation gun ( so anything which looks like guns which are already illegal M16's or whatever i dont know much about guns) will be banned.
Anything which can be converted to shoot real rounds will be banned.

Paintball guns fall into neither of these catorgories except for a few rec ballers guns falling in to the imitation catogory unfortunately.

So the only thing which i can see effecting paintball guns is the part about air weapons as we use air to fire. These are not getting banned just the age limit upped to 18.

Im probably wrong but thats the way it reads to me

 

[Raffles]

Originally posted by Jasper
...Make it illegal to manufacture or sell imitation firearms that could be mistaken for real firearms...

You've answered your own question there mate. The key word being IMITATION of course.

To re-itterate:

It has a trigger, a barrel, a stock and fires things out of the end at high velocity - therefore, by definition, a gun.

You - and most people on here - know what a marker looks like because you have seen them close-up. 99% of the rest of the population don't have a clue as to what one looks like - and these are the people who want to take your hobby away.

Don't blame Joe Public though - they are only afraid because the media want them to be.

Besides which, you could always take up golf

"Fore"

 

[youch]

http://airsoftsverige.com/uk/
have a look and make your mark.

 

[Rosie]

Originally posted by Jasper
Now to me what it says is that any imitation gun ( so anything which looks like guns which are already illegal M16's or whatever i dont know much about guns) will be banned.
Anything which can be converted to shoot real rounds will be banned.

No its not got much to do with whether they can fire rounds of any description, at the moment it is purely on LOOKS, so issues such as ramping and re ball are not connected in any way to this law, though will not make government think any better of us

Originally posted by Jasper
Paintball guns fall into neither of these catorgories except for a few rec ballers guns falling in to the imitation catogory unfortunately.

But don't you understand, they wont be bothered to go through each individual brand, make and model, if the gov. decide that airsoft/paintball markers look too military-like they will ban them ALL. So even if you own a DM4 or an Angel, which look NOTHING like an AK 47 or a rifle or whatever, there is still some freak running around with this http://www.pbportal.de/files/news/2005/ak98.jpg
or this http://www.rap4.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10010/normal_T68_THUNDER_STRIKE.jpg that will cause some MP somewhere to say wtf i dont want these on our streets, not only does it look like a real gun (well kind of, a little OTT) but it can also shoot out pellets, maybe solid rounds.

Also, I think registration should be compulsory, and cost very little, or else a lot of players wont be arsed to do it. If registration is the thing that will save the sport then it needs to be done, and every effort needs to be made to make it as easy as possible.

 

[Jasper]

It doesnt say anything in the bill about making air rifles illegal just the uping of the age limit.

So by immitation they are not meaning having a trigger and a barrel. So the key word really is 'firearm' that is those which are already on the illegal firearms list so anything which looks like them will be illegal.

Rosie i never said anything about ramping (that is just an issue within paintball and nowhere else at the moment) or reballs. it says converted to fire real rounds meaning bullets gunpowder ones.

I do see what your saying about banning all types but once again the bill is not specific and is targeted at those which look like already illegal firearms. The bill states nothing about banning catorgorys of guns only what they look like. So if a catorgory such as paintball has guns which look like real firearms then those ones will be illegal but not those which do not look like real firearms as they are just an airweapon in which the age limit is the only thing that is affected.