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Robbo

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Originally posted by Silver Fox

What I do know at the moment is that I've never been so pissed off at the fact that we can't enjoy the achievement of a great bunch of lads and a girl who have played some superb paintball and walked away with one of the major domestic series titles

JJ
Who the hell is stopping you enjoying anything?
Go run around the streets naked, proclaiming anything u like with a daffodil shoved up yer ass for all I care.

And if this situation has bought you to the point where you have 'never been so pissed off', Bejeezus how sad is that?
I could think of a million other things going on in other people's lives that would and could warrant that reaction a lot more legitimately than this affair.

Nah, you overstate and exaggerate the case here and when Russell finally gets his finger out his ass, we will see who the real villain of the peace is here...coz at the moment my patience is wearing thin and if Russell don't do it, then that confidence will be broken and I will post it because I will not be held hostage to all this bull and other people benefit becasue I keep my mouth shut.

Hmmm, am now off to meet a Russian and talk to a Frog in the unREAL paintball world :)
 
Pete,
as I've said I know you've got real issues with Hatts and as we've spoken about some off them before I can understand why.
Yes I'm pissed off that some people I like and respect have got tangled up in an issue that they have no part in. The comment was was purely relating to paintball
No its not the most pissed off I've ever been Jesus its paintball not real life.
Anyway you know I can't do the naked daffodil thing since that unpleasantness on Deansgate,

JJ
 

Russell Smith

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OK Pete happy too but first some background.

The PA National League is like no other in the UK, its formation from the first instance was not to make money (and it has done that bit very well:( ) but to try and change the way paintball is perceived by the sports council and the public so we could maybe with other things we need to happen become a recognised sport.
The reasoning behind it is very simple.

Paintball in the UK (and more or less every other country in the world) is just a recreational pastime and because of that it would never be conceived as a viable sport.

So we asked the Sports Council what we would have to do to change that viewpoint, so they gave us a stack of guidance books and told us to go away and read them.
We did and it became obvious that all other Sports have a criterion that sets them apart.
One of the most obvious things we had to do was instigate a National league and that must also be closed and locked (just like football) the teams that entered was irrelevant to a degree as long as we used historical results and experience to assign every team to a division we would meet the criteria set us by the SC.

It was never set out to get the best 50 teams in the country playing (but that would have been great) but to get players who wanted to represent a geographical area to form teams. And to that end we still strive.
Now you might think I am just being disrespectful to all the other leagues in the UK and you would be wrong, Bully for instance – without him we would not have any tourney paintball or a UKPSF.
It is just all other leagues are looked at as recreational paintball because you can turn up if you want and the winner is just the leader on the day, the staff at the event are not independent from the teams, anybody can play on the team you could even have another team play under another name and there is no rule against it also most events don’t even publish the rules they will be using if they even have any, and most of the leagues are won in general by one of the four or five teams who played at every event not the team who has beat every team who they played without loss. So it is quite obvious they are run as a commercial enterprise (nothing wrong in that) but would not help in getting sports recognition.

You may wonder why I would like us to get the SC on paintballs side well the simple reason could be that ALL teams would find it a lot easier to acquire cash sponsorship but I assure you there is a lot of better reasons than that but it is kind of the first thing that the players themselves want to know.
To my knowledge I only know of three events in the world that run a locked league the NPPL pro division. The NXL and the PA in the UK as far as I am aware you do not have to compete in all events for all the rest – Just finish top at the end when the points are counted.
The Paintball Association does not put itself above others it just has a different viewpoint and aims for paintball in this country, all of them I believe for the better.
You do have a valid point to your argument when you claim that how can we say that the winners of the PA would be the best in the country when the so called best teams are not playing. (for this point I am only referring to Tigers, Shock and Nexus)
I could possibly counter that with the argument saying how do we know they are the best what have they won in the last twelve months or even two years.
But I wont bother because I do know how good they are but I hope you see my point
So I think it is a valid claim to say winners are the best in the country because they competed and won the only UK national league in existence at the moment.
I also know that you in no way mean to sound disrespectful to anyone who competed in the league so if anyone is thinking that they are wrong.
As I told you on the Phone if Hatts had said in his post “The Paintball Association National champions will be decided this weekend” it would not have upset people as the title he used did, even though what he said was factually correct. And my own advice to Hatts was not to post at all on PGI’s forum.
Dynasty are correctly thought of as the world champions and I think they maybe the only ones who may hold that title in its genuine sense for some time because to avoid confusion the just go out and win everything around the world.
I am going to the world cup in America in October but hang on did we not have a world cup in Paris a little while ago and will everyone be in attendance at all the world cups and if not should we all start to say they should not call themselves world champions because of…………. See what I mean.

Respects


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oh my god

Just finished reading this very interesting thread??,
I have played Milleniums and i must admit its the best event i have ever played , and i sent more ££££ than i could ever tell the wife;) .
Also i have played C7s what a joke:mad: teams from day one fell by the way side.

MM the girls do a fantastic job and really promote PB to all the newbies;)

Bullys i just love the big mans events he just gets on with it and does a good torney.

PA by far this event is so well organised and this is the way forward in DOMESTIC paint ball . this event also ytrys to get dedicated teams to play all the season.

I also think the pro tour rocks , i just wish i was a lot younger , so id be able to have a chance at playing it , all domestic paintball torneys , in my eyes serve there purpose and let all walks of life old, young male female disabled etc take part , especially those that just want to be part of that series , National or Not.

There will always be fall outs and slagging off, a lot of valid points , but hell guys why not just keep doing what you guys are doing promote this sport that we all love.

Peace and love to you all ;) :eek:
 

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Russell, I just got back in and read above post, I think we had already established most of what you have said there in this thread already and what I have read is just even more PA propoganda and justification, what needed to be established was, why hatts wrote it, I mean his intent ?

I want you to tell everybody here why you told me hatts wrote it in the way that he did.
 

Russell Smith

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Robbo,

If you mean by calling it the UK national champions instead of the PA national champions, we would expect you to respond the way you did, and genarate an well read thread that may even get some spectators to come see the final day that would be right.
And that in itself would spark some other interest.

You have to give yourself some credit with your pulling power Pete.
Either way it was good for forum traffic, the PA had a great event, the Manchester Union won the only National series in the UK and became the UK Champions.
So all is fine.


Peace.

Russ
 

KitsuneAndy

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I think it is very important to make sure we don't detract from what the Manc Union have done while arguing this point here. True, they may not be the "best" team in the UK, as there are teams who may be better than them that did not compete in the PA. But they were definitely the best team in the PA and that deserves our recognition no matter how it was worded or what our personal views of the PA are.
 

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Originally posted by AndyDane
I think it is very important to make sure we don't detract from what the Manc Union have done while arguing this point here. True, they may not be the "best" team in the UK, as there are teams who may be better than them that did not compete in the PA. But they were definitely the best team in the PA and that deserves our recognition no matter how it was worded or what our personal views of the PA are.
Doubt anyone is disputing that.

If this thread has been worded such purely to get a raise from Pete then sorry but IMO that does stink....
 

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dont they call the team that wins the us baseball champion ship the world champions....did they play everyone in the world...no

how many heavy weight boxing belts do you have to win to be crowned the undisputed heavy weight champion?

even in paintball its self there is more than one world cup.

im holding the 15th anually intergalatic all comers welcome tiddly winks championship a week next thrusday....whats stopping me crowning the winner the intergalatic champion?

is the team that wins the only national league not the national champions?

pah....everton (or any other premiership footie team) are crap, they didnt beat lowersock albion.

whats in a name/title? who cares? its a bloody game!