UK Gun Control

[JoseDominguez]

The term sub-lethal refers to weapons which can not cause lethal injury without substantial modification, now no-one at the home office has noticed this, but the new "glass-shatterer" rounds (check out the I didn't know JT made riot gear-thread) currently available are capable of causing fatal injury, this means a marker is capable of causing lethal injury by simply re-loading, so all it takes is one lunatic and we have problems. As I said earlier, I've been asked by a night-club doorman if you can load them with anything else and where he could buy one (I could hear his cogs ticking so I said no), he works in Newcastle, 200 yds from a shop selling brass eagle entry-level markers and within twenty minutes of a "pro-shop". So there's one person I know with access to kit and the capacity to do something ill-advised.

 

[crom-dubh]

Actually paintball markers are mentioned in the 1997 firearms act ammendment.

• to ensure that section 5(l)(ac) of the 1968 Act (which prohibits certain selfloading and pump-action guns) does not apply to an air weapon. This is to ensure that items such as paintball guns are not caught by the prohibition;

62. Section 48 provides that any reference to an air rifle, air pistol or air gun in the Firearms Acts 1968 to 1997 or in the Firearms (Dangerous Air Weapons) Rules 1969 or the Firearms (Dangerous Air Weapons) (Scotland) Rules 1969 shall include a reference to a rifle, pistol or gun powered by compressed carbon dioxide. This ensures that weapons powered by carbon dioxide are treated, for the purposes of the Firearms Acts, in the same way as those powered by air, so that low-powered carbon dioxide weapons - including "paint-ball" guns - will not be prohibited and will no longer need to be held on certificate.

 

[Mark]

Back to gun control

Originally posted by TJ Lambini

Tha real worry is if someone does what they've done to replicas in the UK - i.e. converts a pball marker to fire shotgun shells or something. Then you're screwed.

Well not shotgun shells but it has been done and seen the world over...opening scene of the James Bond movie for Golden Eye where the "hero" climbs the dam the "weapon" used to fire the grappling hook was a converted Automag...ok single shot but it was done AND the film is fantasy but the converted Automag wasn't it was shown in an article about the gizmos that were created for the film some totally fake some not..the converted Automag fell into the last cat. Plus our own goverment are doing some really strange things to Automags amongst other makes of markers (re thread about JT making riot gear and the then posted pics of Tippmans and riot cops), the reason I know that the Govt. are doing things to Automags is one of our team used to borrow an Automag that was owned by the Army and when ever he went to borrow it if it wasn't in pieces it was set to chrono at stupid amounts plus the things they were using it to fire weren't paintballs (you should have seen the mess the breech/bolt was in . In short the reaction to what has happened is a "knee jerk" one and until the dust settles we "shouldn't" have anything to worry about.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Yup, and the vast majority of tranq dart launchers are just paint guns with a modified breach (like the old nel-spots), why were paintball markers invented in the first place? to fire permanent dye at cattle to be slaughtered and trees to be felled from a helicopter. They wren't invented as a sport.

 

[Trinity]

Originally posted by Jones the Paint Magnet
Cheers Mark for the sympathy -
Baca - alcohol is dangerous. So is tobacco. And petrol driven cars. Can you guess what it is that connects these items to the fact the Government doesn't mind us abusing all three?

I've walked around with sports gear that although is less dangerous than a pool cue, still got me spot-interrogated by the police until I produced a licence to show I was part of an organization that was entitled and insured to use them. Unlikely that DIY tools and kitchen implements get covered by a ban, but then it's a tad more likely people will go after paintball "guns", isn't it?

The thing that connects the above three things more than anything else my friend is Money- we pay tax- and an awful lot of it for the pleasure of the above.

And as for DIY equipment a friend of my got pulled by the police for having his carpentry tools on the back seat of his car (The boot was full) Go figure!

 

[Jack Daniels]

I personally would be more than happy to any of the proposed ideas, as would most paintballers. I tend to find personally that due to the nature and expense of the sport, most people that play are responsible adults, i use that phrase in the loosest possible terms mind, but most people who would be stupid enough to run around the streets carring markers, cant afford them !

therefore, most people with markers are going to act in a responsible manner and conduct themselves in a way that reflects in only good ways to the sport.

thanks for reading my silly little opinion.

 

[Jones the Paint Magnet]

Originally posted by Trinity
The thing that connects the above three things more than anything else my friend is Money- we pay tax- and an awful lot of it for the pleasure of the above.

Correct-a-mundo!

 

[Tom Tom]

Well we are all so big on the talk but maybe (and dont use this till Steve Bull or Hotpoint has made a reply) we need to lobby parliment.

We need to all write to our MP's and express our concerns over the latest incidents.

If we can all agree on a standard letter to be sent that would help and not hinder the case we can lobby our MPs and get our case across.

Fax Your MP and tell them what we think. Remember don't just jump straight in wait to see what people already talking to the government think of the idea. So UKPSF what do you think?

 

[Jones the Paint Magnet]

Steve and the UKPSF have been pro-active! He's said that the Home Office have already been approached and are aware that paintball markers occupy a special category, which is at least partly (if not wholly) why we're not being lumped in with the current deliberations about replicas!

But good idea with notifying your MP - hopefully we won't have to write in as a form of protest about being included in a ban (as these rarely alter legislation), but if the UKPSF deem it necessary and suggest wordingin order to inform and clarify our position, I and all my paintball buddies will be sending one in.

 

[Tom Tom]

Originally posted by Jones the Paint Magnet
Steve and the UKPSF have been pro-active! He's said that the Home Office have already been approached and are aware that paintball markers occupy a special category, which is at least partly (if not wholly) why we're not being lumped in with the current deliberations about replicas!

But good idea with notifying your MP - hopefully we won't have to write in as a form of protest about being included in a ban (as these rarely alter legislation), but if the UKPSF deem it necessary and suggest wordingin order to inform and clarify our position, I and all my paintball buddies will be sending one in.

I'm sorry if I was not clear enough I know that the UKPSF are pro active and think all the work they doe is great. I just don't people to start faxing their MP and ruining all theit work, which is kinda why i was asking permission.

Want to do something and maybe something in numbers would help?

But full credit to the UKPSF for everything they continue to do.