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Dusty

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two scholars once discussed a problem for a whole day and a whole night. when the next day came the problem was still there...................
 
Robbo

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dusty said:
two scholars once discussed a problem for a whole day and a whole night. when the next day came the problem was still there...................
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And the moral of that story is .......next time get two people who have at least some idea what they are talking about....
 
Nick Brockdorff

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Hehehehehe - nice try - but it takes more to get a rise out of me buddy

Wasn't trying to.
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In that case, it was just a waste of space

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- And when I say "better run" - it is naturally in this context.... if you missed that, I appologise, and direct you to the nearest optician


I don't need glasses kid. I speak English, and if you maintain that by 'better run', you actually meant 'worse run' then I will let you off because this is not your first language.
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Hilarious you would refer to me as a "kid" - thanks for the compliment :)

I mean run in a way that attracts more players to the tournament market, while making money... if that is "worse" in your book, we are having a pointles debate, because we then want different things for paintball.

How are your 2nd, 3rd and 4th languages BTW ? :)

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I've never heard of a black woman running a major European field

you danes are so racist sometimes...
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Nothing racist about your obscurity :)

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Anyway... maybe the problem here is, that you think the general rental market can just do like you did.... and I submit that the vast majority of it is in an entirely different situation, and do not have the near perfect circumstances you had for running a field with success.


You still don't get it. I am saying that the majority can't do it. I am saying there is only room for 3. Do you actually read my posts or do you make up your mind what you want to say in advance?
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I actually think it's about the other way around - it seems like you don't read mine - or at least purposely misunderstand them.

What exactly is it the majority can't do? - attract customers? - get the usual 10-20% of them interested in paintball as a sport? - sell paintball equipment? - run walk on days?

I maintain they can, but need help getting it off the ground.... if your premise is that most can't do it on their own, then I totally agree - but then that just proves you have not taken the time to read my previous posts in this thread.

I get the whole "live and let die" thing - and that eventually some corporation(s) will get it right, and rapidly take over most of the site market..... I just don't understand why it is better than helping the existing sites progress and grow their business, if you are their supplier (not you personally - speaking of the industry generally)..... sounds to me like you have the same set of beliefs as most other figures in the paintball industry, that think of their business two-dimensionally.... "manufacture it and market it - and you'll be fine".... look to any other BTB industry, and you will see that it has long ago progressed to where SERVICE is very often the deciding factor in generating customers - and very often a very complex set of services.

Next you'll be saying "if it ain't broken don't fix it" - or some other outdated thing :)

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My perspective is one of a professional business manager, with extensive paintball (both tournament and rental) experience..... maybe experience as a site owner is actually a handicap, when we are discussing why the vast majority of fields are apparently only successful (and I use that term loosely) with "business as usual" - the way it has been for 10-15 years?


READ MY POST. ACTUALLY READ IT THIS TIME
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I did - you ran fields in Birmingham and the US - cool for you.... so how was your succes rate in generating a host of players for tournament ball at your site in the UK?

- Or - did you include yourself in the "they can't do it" part of your previous answer? :)

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Subsidies have never been on my agenda - you put that out there, and have clearly still missed the whole point... What I have said is, that - for instance - if a rental site wants to convert a field from normal rental play to tournament style paintball, and offer their customers an experience that makes them return at a greater rate than normal rental customer..... there are two essential things that need to change:

- Pricing
- Equipment

So one important point would be upgrading their guns, which is where a supplier could help them out by offering a payment plan, instead of expecting full payment at once...... to the best of my knowledge, you, better than most, will be able to appreciate the benefits of being able to run high end guns for your rental customers.


oK- so you don't want subsidies, you want cheaper prices. Therefore you want the industry to give up some profit margin to help you develop the business. Do you know what subsidise means? Of course you do - you're a professional business manager...
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OMG

Why is it every time you disagree with someone, you hint at them being intellectually inferior? - it is a very unbecoming trait in your character.

Do I know what subsidies are? - waste of time dignifying that with a reply, because you know the answer.

Now, let ME educate YOU then.... it is NOT a subsidy, if you provide your customers with a financing option and knowhow.

Why don't you pop down to Currys to buy a new TV, next time you are in the UK, and ask them if you buying it over 36 months mean they are subsidising you.... please let me know how long and how hard they laughed (remember to bring a stop watch so you can time it properly) :)

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I also maintain that most paintball sites do not have the experience or knowhow to run a retail shop, which is another area where their suppliers could be immensely helpful.


Then they don't do it. I would rather wait for someone that knows what they are doing, has some business accumen and some cash, that can do it and do it well. Why does it have to be the existing people? I cover this in my post. Did you read it?
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Because sitting back and waiting for someone to magically appear and solve the problems is not really beneficial to paintball - or to the suppliers to fields for that matter.... not if they want to grow their business.

You speak like the paintball industry is completely powerless to positively effect how the paintball market develops - which puzzles me greatly.

And, when NOT ONE (as I understand it) out of 300 fields in the UK does it momentarily, are you saying that not a single one of those site owners have business accumen (now THERE is a word I had to look up - especially because in Danish schools, we are taught to spell it "acumen" - is english your first language?? :)) - to do what is needed to further british tournament ball?


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And I think industry, IF it is interested in this development - which I think they SHOULD be, should realise they cannot just sit on their asses and wait for some bright field owner to prove the point.... there has to be investments made by both industry and site owners in conjunction.


Thats not how it works.
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What? - "if it ain't broken......." ?? :D

You crack me up.... sorry for having a creative thought or two - I know - it is simply not DONE that way - who am I to pressume paintball could learn something from other industries :eek:


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How am I nickle and dime? - you can't in one sentence accuse me of thinking too big, and then in the next for thinking too small.....

And, where have I NOT said more resources are needed?



Educate me then - how is the UK rental business "very different"?

Nick

P.S. - DAMMIT - you have turned me into Baca


Nick, I can't educate you, because I would need you to pay attention to my posts, which you don't. I am happy to let you think whatever you think. If you ever decide you'd like to listen to the opinion of someone who may be better placed than you are to recognise a solution, just look me up. OR - just read my post. I read it again to make sure it still made sense, and it seemed fine.
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I'm happy you are happy - and I am happy you seem to think that you alone knows how paintball sites are supposed to be run...... I look forward to you proving it - lead the way girliegirl :)

Nick
 
Sid_Clan

Sid_Clan

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Nick Brockdorff said:
Sid:

Sorry buddy - there is just something extremely irritating about the person hiding behind the Missy character..... lack of culture really annoys me :)

Nick
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People not knowing when to walk away really annoys me, now quit it before I send both of you to bed, no supper and no night time dictionary reading.

Sid
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