It's not much of a target shoot, if it requires no skill.... I mean - everyone can hit a barn, even blindfolded
Nick
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Maybe no skills but think of the satisfaction!Nick Brockdorff said:It's not much of a target shoot, if it requires no skill.... I mean - everyone can hit a barn, even blindfolded
Think of the cues to get to that attraction!
I call Shotgun for 1st go on two out of the three...Wadidiz said:Maybe no skills but think of the satisfaction!
I was at that event, mighty 2nd place to the Rat Pack.
We came back the following year and won it ?
We came back the following year and won it ?
ShelleyHicky said:The first Campaign Cup winners!
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d31/ShelleyHicky/BartsStudSquad.jpg
mmm
peace out
Jinx
p.s. get ure **** together boys and get booked in not a lot of time left
well its jinx actuall mate and yeah wasnt even looking what i was typing bit like now so my apologies but glad you kinda agree with my longwinded statement lolRobbo said:This has got to be the longest sentence I have ever seen
Minx, lemme give you a hint mate, buy a dictionary, look up the following words - comma, full stop, semi-colon
As to the content Minxy, I think you are on the right track mate, even though its quite a long unbroken track
peace out
Jinx
p.s. get ure **** together boys and get booked in not a lot of time left
Wasn't trying to.Nick Brockdorff said:Hehehehehe - nice try - but it takes more to get a rise out of me buddy
I don't need glasses kid. I speak English, and if you maintain that by 'better run', you actually meant 'worse run' then I will let you off because this is not your first language.Nick Brockdorff said:- And when I say "better run" - it is naturally in this context.... if you missed that, I appologise, and direct you to the nearest optician
you danes are so racist sometimes...Nick Brockdorff said:I've never heard of a black woman running a major European field
You still don't get it. I am saying that the majority can't do it. I am saying there is only room for 3. Do you actually read my posts or do you make up your mind what you want to say in advance?Nick Brockdorff said:
READ MY POST. ACTUALLY READ IT THIS TIME.Nick Brockdorff said:
oK- so you don't want subsidies, you want cheaper prices. Therefore you want the industry to give up some profit margin to help you develop the business. Do you know what subsidise means? Of course you do - you're a professional business manager...Nick Brockdorff said:
Then they don't do it. I would rather wait for someone that knows what they are doing, has some business accumen and some cash, that can do it and do it well. Why does it have to be the existing people? I cover this in my post. Did you read it?Nick Brockdorff said:
Thats not how it works.Nick Brockdorff said:
Nick, I can't educate you, because I would need you to pay attention to my posts, which you don't. I am happy to let you think whatever you think. If you ever decide you'd like to listen to the opinion of someone who may be better placed than you are to recognise a solution, just look me up. OR - just read my post. I read it again to make sure it still made sense, and it seemed fine.Nick Brockdorff said:How am I nickle and dime?
And, where have I NOT said more resources are needed?
Educate me then - how is the UK rental business "very different"?
Nick
P.S. - DAMMIT - you have turned me into Baca
No.Wadidiz said:
Missy,
While I gladly confess to your vast experience and expertise on this topic I'm curious about a couple of things.
The rental vs. rec thing looks like a chicken and the egg debate to me. If 90% of the paintball available to the UK is rental it's hardly surprising that's what's being played. The question seems to me to be is the rental market so dominant because that's what the prospective players want or simply because they want to play paintball and that's what's on offer? (And rental is what the operators want because that's the easiest way to make money in paintball?) Without other options on offer it seems any conclusions drawn are more speculative than not?
It reminds me of the reverse of the German model. Germany apparently is mostly tourney oriented, is that because the Germans only want to play tourney or because those who brought paintball to the marketplace brought tourney ball because that's what they wanted and because of the unique difficulties in making paintball available in Germany?
As for rec/rental in the U.S. every site I've ever seen (in recent years) offers the rental basics and almost everyone plays as a rental the first time or two or three. Of course nearly every site around here I've seen offers the gamut of paintball options pretty much simultaneously. I wonder if it's possible to draw accurate conclusions between the two when one system makes different sorts of paintball available routinely and one doesn't.
And only 4 or 5 sites over an area comparable to the UK? Where? Montana? North Dakota? There's at least 30 stores and fields within an hour or so of me in central Florida. If there are 300 or so mostly rental sites in Britain that suggests a couple of things to me. The rental market is lucrative enough to continue attracting people to open fields and/or there are more than enough players to support them. Either way doesn't that suggest there might be an opportunity there to expand the paintball on offer?
Oh my, that made laugh out loud - such sarcasm and wit...all rolled into one put down...the sublime serenity of such a post just oozes classMissyQ said:
My eyes hurt!!!!!
Anyway, has this thread changed the number of UK Teams entering Campaign, or are they looking on this thread as a slate the UK site owners issue....just curious....because if they are, it defeats the purpose of the original thread don't you think...or maybe it's just me.
Sid
Anyway, has this thread changed the number of UK Teams entering Campaign, or are they looking on this thread as a slate the UK site owners issue....just curious....because if they are, it defeats the purpose of the original thread don't you think...or maybe it's just me.
Sid
Your walkon market is going to start with marketing, like others have said. One of the big reasons why paintball fields do well is because the fields align themselves with stores, fields carry the stores flyer and the stores carry the fields flyer. The stores setup customer appreciation days, this is where it's slightly cheaper for the customer to come out and play at a field the store is aligned with, and they get to play with all the customers. I have done a few of these and it is a lot of fun. It keeps the customer coming back to the store and it keeps people going to the field. Now you have the store driving players to a particular field.
To take it a step further you then need to market outside of your current customers, the general public. Why do you think SC Village is so successful? Their pamphlet can be found at airports, restaurants, in the newspaper, etc. You get off the plane at Burbank airport and SC's pamplhet sits right next to Disneylands. They are reaching out to potential customers, and reinstated with existing customers that they are the best. All of my friends who only play 1 to 2 times a year always bring up "that place in Corona" (SC) as the first place they played. Their field also welcomes all customers, rental/walkon/tournaments and they do not force you to buy their paint. BYOP really helps people progress from rental to walkon to tournament, because unfortunately FPO really makes it difficult for players to play often. At the very least fields could require rental players to purchase x amount of paint before being able to use their own. Or forcing rental players to buy their paint. This is done at Hollywood sports where the people playing on the walkon fields must use FP, while the tournaments players on the other side of the complex can use their own paint on certain days.
There is also the opportunity for another great business here. A friend of mine runs a very successful company outside of their store business and what they do is run walkon days every other weekend. They alternate between two fields. They come out to the field, setup a tent, register players, rent out equipment, sell paint, ref their games, bbq (included in the price), tech support, raffles, co2, some times have a band, etc. Notice how this company takes care of everything and the field just provides insurancre and a place to play. The field gets a per player amount from the fees the company collects (probably about the normal amount for a non rental customer). The player is then more likely to come back to one of these two fields on a weekend that an event is not going on. This company also organizes birthday parties, corporate gatherings, etc. They make it very affordable for people to play the field gets their cut and the players keep coming back which builds the player base. This company also markets itself, handing out business cards with the event dates, these get distributed at expos, through stores, personally from the owners, etc. To give you an idea on the success of this company they were able to fund a team fully for 3 seasons, and this season instead of funding a team they purchased one of those large supair ball areans with reballs and can now travel anywhere, set it up anywhere (such as fairs, parks, etc) and introduce even more people to paintball.
It sounds like to me (this is only based on posts here) that many of the field owners are content with their rental groups that buy paint from them and come out 1-2 times a year, while they miss out on the walkon and tournament market. It should be a cycle where the field caters to all players, a player comes in as a rental player and progresses to walkon and then either stays there or moves on to tournament paintball at some point. Along the way the field owner gets money from this player more often then if they were just a rental customer. Would the field owner rather get 80-100/year from a player or 15-20/month from a player? Also logically, as a player moves up they will bring more people into the fold, their friends and family and the process starts all over with a new player.
Another one of my friends has ran two fields, one of which he used to buy his first house and another which is starting to really thrive. He's done this by being super cheap when building the field (get stuff for free wherever he can such as raildroad ties, poles, dirt, wood, etc), doing trades with teams such as a team buying a supair field to put on his property and in return the team plays for free and can run tournaments there, as well being a smart business man and marketing to customers.
Anyway, that's just an outside in perspective of what I see.
-Ron
To take it a step further you then need to market outside of your current customers, the general public. Why do you think SC Village is so successful? Their pamphlet can be found at airports, restaurants, in the newspaper, etc. You get off the plane at Burbank airport and SC's pamplhet sits right next to Disneylands. They are reaching out to potential customers, and reinstated with existing customers that they are the best. All of my friends who only play 1 to 2 times a year always bring up "that place in Corona" (SC) as the first place they played. Their field also welcomes all customers, rental/walkon/tournaments and they do not force you to buy their paint. BYOP really helps people progress from rental to walkon to tournament, because unfortunately FPO really makes it difficult for players to play often. At the very least fields could require rental players to purchase x amount of paint before being able to use their own. Or forcing rental players to buy their paint. This is done at Hollywood sports where the people playing on the walkon fields must use FP, while the tournaments players on the other side of the complex can use their own paint on certain days.
There is also the opportunity for another great business here. A friend of mine runs a very successful company outside of their store business and what they do is run walkon days every other weekend. They alternate between two fields. They come out to the field, setup a tent, register players, rent out equipment, sell paint, ref their games, bbq (included in the price), tech support, raffles, co2, some times have a band, etc. Notice how this company takes care of everything and the field just provides insurancre and a place to play. The field gets a per player amount from the fees the company collects (probably about the normal amount for a non rental customer). The player is then more likely to come back to one of these two fields on a weekend that an event is not going on. This company also organizes birthday parties, corporate gatherings, etc. They make it very affordable for people to play the field gets their cut and the players keep coming back which builds the player base. This company also markets itself, handing out business cards with the event dates, these get distributed at expos, through stores, personally from the owners, etc. To give you an idea on the success of this company they were able to fund a team fully for 3 seasons, and this season instead of funding a team they purchased one of those large supair ball areans with reballs and can now travel anywhere, set it up anywhere (such as fairs, parks, etc) and introduce even more people to paintball.
It sounds like to me (this is only based on posts here) that many of the field owners are content with their rental groups that buy paint from them and come out 1-2 times a year, while they miss out on the walkon and tournament market. It should be a cycle where the field caters to all players, a player comes in as a rental player and progresses to walkon and then either stays there or moves on to tournament paintball at some point. Along the way the field owner gets money from this player more often then if they were just a rental customer. Would the field owner rather get 80-100/year from a player or 15-20/month from a player? Also logically, as a player moves up they will bring more people into the fold, their friends and family and the process starts all over with a new player.
Another one of my friends has ran two fields, one of which he used to buy his first house and another which is starting to really thrive. He's done this by being super cheap when building the field (get stuff for free wherever he can such as raildroad ties, poles, dirt, wood, etc), doing trades with teams such as a team buying a supair field to put on his property and in return the team plays for free and can run tournaments there, as well being a smart business man and marketing to customers.
Anyway, that's just an outside in perspective of what I see.
-Ron