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I'm not saying that anything over the defined 15bps limit is OK and that if a player is measured over that limit before or during a game with a reliable device that the appropriate action should not be taken.
What I AM SAYING is that the much bigger problem is the players who brazenly shoot at the ROFs I keep referring to and that those speeds are so obviously in violation of the limit that it doesn't take brain cells or measuring instruments to be certain that cheating is indeed going on. It just takes some intestinal fortitude and backing by the league.
My speed cop analogy broke down under your scrutiny so I have to say it is a bad one in this context. But there are many other examples of police officers convicting criminals simply on the basis of what they've witnessed--reckless driving in a school zone, for example. And I have been ticketed and fined by a police officer without a scientific measurement simply because he WITNESSED that I was speeding and he told me how fast he had to drive to catch up with me.
Your point is well-taken, however, that there is much to be done in the area of ref training, ref recruiting, ref evaluation and ref management. But that is no excuse for the dangerous shiznit that is going on right now and for the refs that can see the cheating to not do something about it. Action must be taken and I think I'm making a reasonable case that innocents don't have to suffer for it.
I suppose that's for others to decide.
And Duffy you sure seem wishy-washy.
I, personally, would put faith in technology. Somebody must be making money from paintball somewhere, and must be making enough to make it worthwhile. If they invest a few thousand dollars (admittedly it sounds like a lot) to make the sport safer, it should reap it's own rewards?
Or am I trying to apply real-world ethics to the world of paintball? Is the reason that this technology hasn't been implemented already, because the event organisers are in the back pocket of the "cheating" teams? Do they deliberately ignore the cheating because less teams playing means less money for them? Or are they so naive that they don't see the problem? I don't know enough about the scene to say either one, but these seem like some of the most likely options.
My opinion is probably neither respected, nor cared about, and that's fine by me. But surely, as a manager, putting your players in harms way time and time again must be murder.
My brother plays, my dad does when he can, I'd hope in the future and kids I have would like to play, but I'd never put any of these people in front of a team that cheat, it's just not worth it.
Or am I trying to apply real-world ethics to the world of paintball? Is the reason that this technology hasn't been implemented already, because the event organisers are in the back pocket of the "cheating" teams? Do they deliberately ignore the cheating because less teams playing means less money for them? Or are they so naive that they don't see the problem? I don't know enough about the scene to say either one, but these seem like some of the most likely options.
My opinion is probably neither respected, nor cared about, and that's fine by me. But surely, as a manager, putting your players in harms way time and time again must be murder.
My brother plays, my dad does when he can, I'd hope in the future and kids I have would like to play, but I'd never put any of these people in front of a team that cheat, it's just not worth it.
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duffistuta
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I am generally; Inconsistency can be a virtue.Originally posted by Red Ring Inflictor
And Duffy you sure seem wishy-washy.
But that said, I don't think we're exactly fiddling while Rome burns; nothing is going to happen before the last two events, and further still, nothng is going to happen until we know what the leagues are going to do re re-unifying. Talk here is not delaying anything and might lead to some fresh ideas...who knows?
That aside, I have gone on record saying that enforceable rules and the will to enforce them is the bottom line here - forget what players might want - and I think that's what Nick is driving at. The PSP appears to have put a system in place that is acceptable to everyone bar those who hang onto the misguided notion that semi-auto is curently enforceable in any way, shape or form.
I'm with Nick too, till somebody gets hurt and then I am gonna sit back and watch you all start running for cover...........
I used to love that bit in the Magnificent 7 when Steve McQueen is talking to that ole boy and he tells the story of the guy jumping off a tall building and as he hurtles downwards, another guy puts his head out of the window as the jumper whizzes past and asks the jumper, 'You alrite mate'?
'So far so good' comes the reply !
..........So far so good guys, so far so good
I used to love that bit in the Magnificent 7 when Steve McQueen is talking to that ole boy and he tells the story of the guy jumping off a tall building and as he hurtles downwards, another guy puts his head out of the window as the jumper whizzes past and asks the jumper, 'You alrite mate'?
'So far so good' comes the reply !
..........So far so good guys, so far so good
With that statement I can also say: I'm with you Duffy. And that wasn't hard for me to type.
But I'm still with Robbo on this issue that if I stood on the field with a striped top on at the World Cup or in Miami (and I won't be doing that by the way) then I would be inclined to pull and suspend any player in the world that made the jump to light speed because I'm now convinced that it is both the right thing to do and it is clearly the intention of the rules.
All of PB needs to move in the direction of PSP's and NXL's way of handling these issues until better, realistic solutions come along. But unfortunately there is still too much cheating with break modes that go undetected. Someone(s) need to do as Robbo says and JUST DO THE RIGHT THING.
End of my preach.
EDITED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS
(I'm obviously still trying to learn English.)
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duffistuta
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Originally posted by Red Ring Inflictor
I'm still with Robbo...I would be inclined to pull any player in the world off .
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Do you not think that would upset Pete if you were still with him?
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Originally posted by Red Ring Inflictor
I'm still with Robbo...I would be inclined to pull any player in the world off .
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Do you not think that would upset Pete if you were still with him?
I suppose this is as good a way as any to end a discussion that has so much emotion.
You Brits!
You Brits!