This Millennium 15BPS rule...

[mark5evo]

It is my understanding that the initial idea for the 15bps rule was conceived by Russell rulebook in conversations with the PA League and the NPPL. If this is the case, can you please explain why the MS has released their rule on this matter without discussion with the PA?

How on earth are we supposed to unify rules if people are running off in their own direction leaving the players to pick up the pieces?

It really can't be that hard to talk to everyone with a stake in this can it?

 

[Intheno]

[Not only are you a counter-revolutionary wrecker you are a running dog for the capitalist PB overlords.]
- You are right Comrade, I am truly impressed.

Entering late into the 'discussion' I would like to chuck about 25 pence worth into the pot.

To the guy that said that WDP would have had something to do with the NPPL not capping guns - you are a nutter, and have been spending too long around Baca Loco, although you lack the subtlety and vocabulary to pull it off.

To Loco, I would imagine that Manufacturers would build higher value into thier guns by having them reprogrammable to whatever ridiculous rules happen to come to pass on any given day. I believe this reprogrammable technology is patented by WDP...

To Nick - see paragraph above, technically the silly rules are good for most manufacturers, as consumers have to buy equipment that will compete at the top end of the stipulated rules. That's good news for manufacturers. of course they would co-operate, WDP would be the most willing to co-operate I would have thought. They can earn serious coin out of it. While Angel users can just have the new modes zapped into thier guns via infra-red, users of other guns would have to buy a new board (or else the other manufacturers would have to licence WDP's technology to go to reprogrammable boards).
Bearing this in mind, you would have thought that WDP would have used the influence which some ill-informed dweebs believe they have over the NPPL to get those rules changed too, wouldn't you?

I think a worldwide standard is whats needed. That worldwide standard should be legal in every country. It also needs to be a standard that allows events and promotors to get insured for thier events, which is something I keep harping on about, but no-one else seems to feel is important enough to mention.

One more thing Nick - Who is 'the Sport' whom you believe should drag paintball back to the days of the blow-back semi?
Name one entity that can be refered to as 'The Sport' and isn't financed by sponsors within the paintball industry, who would be the evil manufacturers that the same 'Sport' would force to 'co-operate completely'...
Once again you are operating in a totally different industry to the one I am familiar with.

Sorry about the long post folks, got carried away....


oh, and 'because murderers are hard to catch.....' lol!!!

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by mark5evo
It is my understanding that the initial idea for the 15bps rule was conceived by Russell rulebook in conversations with the PA League and the NPPL. If this is the case, can you please explain why the MS has released their rule on this matter without discussion with the PA?

How on earth are we supposed to unify rules if people are running off in their own direction leaving the players to pick up the pieces?

It really can't be that hard to talk to everyone with a stake in this can it?

I think that the original idea was actually conceived in the NXL months ago, but i may be wrong if Russ has had this in mind for a long time.

But anyway, why should the MS contact the PA with rule changes? What do either league have to do with each other? The PA is free to do what they want, as are the MS and NPPL. There are no 'stakes' in this, as each league is separate. If they were unified then your point would be a valid one, but they are not, so it is not.

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Intheno
I believe this reprogrammable technology is patented by WDP...

Haha, back of the net

Nice one.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by mark5evo
It is my understanding that the initial idea for the 15bps rule was conceived by Russell rulebook in conversations with the PA League and the NPPL. If this is the case, can you please explain why the MS has released their rule on this matter without discussion with the PA?

How on earth are we supposed to unify rules if people are running off in their own direction leaving the players to pick up the pieces?

It really can't be that hard to talk to everyone with a stake in this can it?

The 15bps rule was conceived, it seems, by the NXL. People that are involved with various leagues have been pursuing a solution to the gun dilemma together and separately. Russell and I both had a chance to see NXL's solution first-hand at the World Cup and we discussed it there and since. We've even exchanged e-mails. (This was when I was pretty sure I would continue with Millennium.)

So I feel like Russell and I have done our share towards unity.

I also discussed this at great length with Larry Moates of CFOA at the World Cup and they've gone with their version of this rule plus I'm involved in an on-going discussion about this with the Northern European Series (former Nordic Series).

It may look like I'm tooting my own horn but I just wanted to say that some of us have made an effort at unity.

 

[mark5evo]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
The 15bps rule was conceived, it seems, by the NXL. People that are involved with various leagues have been pursuing a solution to the gun dilemma together and separately. Russell and I both had a chance to see NXL's solution first-hand at the World Cup and we discussed it there and since. We've even exchanged e-mails. (This was when I was pretty sure I would continue with Millennium.)

So I feel like Russell and I have done our share towards unity.

OK so why publish rules independantly would it not be better to ensure that the rules are the same for all events ao we dont have the situation we have today?

I just don't understand why this seems to be so hard to achieve - everyone agrees that unification of the rules is the way to go yet we still dont have it. Until that happens how can we possibly ensure continuity of reffing at events?

Just get round a table for the weekend and thrash it out - sorted

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by mark5evo

Just get round a table for the weekend and thrash it out - sorted

There are too many different people with different ideas to do this. Russ and Hatts have different ideas, and the PA rulebook will be a compromise between them and whoever else is involved.

The MS rules are a compromise between all the people on the MS rules comittee, they took a long time to work out, and cannot be thrashed out over coffee. Meetings like this take time.

Why does there have to be a central set of rules, there can be if the PA started running the MS rules.The MS is the senior series in Europe, and has many more teams than any small individual country series anywhere in Europe. They can run whatever rules they like, as can the MM, S2k5, PA etc........

Why do people have to focus on unity? Who cares if there are different sets of rules around. There are MS rules that are stupid, there are NPPL rules that are stupid, just as there are PA rules that are stupid. As long as you read the rules of the series you are going to play then you will be fine.
People calling for unified rules are just too lazy to read different sets

 

[mark5evo]

Why do we need a unified set of rules - are you serious dude? Think of all the bs that goes on because they are not the same.

There are far bigger issues that get resolved round a table involving far busier people - how can ball ever become a sport unless the rules are unified it really is incredulous that people either can't see it or can't be arsed to do anything about it.

round 2

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by mark5evo
Just get round a table for the weekend and thrash it out - sorted

I know it's hard to see how things happen or don't behind the scenes. And there are a lot of discussion amongst different league personnel at the big tournaments but they are often just catch-as-you-can between games while in a hectic pace.

I can also point out that I proposed a "summit" about this issue well before Toulouse last year and tried to get it set up for that tournament since so many influencial people attend. I suppose I was niave or had delusions about people listening to something I suggested.

In an ideal world where the officiating staff have a lot of budgets for flights and meetings what you're suggesting would be great.

 

[Patrik/Evolution]

Why is everybody arguing? Does some one know the exact rules yet? please post them if you do....

i would also like a source for these new rules like a link ir something...