Sponsorship post. Controversial?

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Robbo
I think, if I look back over the year, taking into account Toulouse and Campaign as against HB, Vegas, Chicago and New York...I think the difference between the standard of play we have achieved by going Stateside as against exclusively playing in Europe would be not as much you might think

Toulouse and Campaign were though not typical of the MS as a whole. Amsterdam had only 11 pro teams, Sweden had only 8 pros. I dont think that Nexus would have played as high a standard of ball if they had played those 2 events over say Vegas and Chicago

Originally posted by Robbo

I hope this answers your question Sam.

it does, thank you.

 

[duffistuta]

OK, Hotpoint, you win, Sam's on drugs too.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by sjt19
If you just give me a second to put the pipe down where it ownt burn the carpet...oops, i mean ....

Incentivised buying then, if a company sells a 10 boxes of paint to a team per event they play, they will get a reasonable discount, while the seller still makes a profit. If the paint sellers were to sell the paint to normal players on teams they do not sponsor they make more of a profit. The difference in profit is fairly sezeable when taken into account that if each team plays 15 events per year, at 10 boxes per event with a saving of £5 per box, then the team will save over the year £750 per year. So eaach vendor is making say £750 less than they would normally make. If one seller supports many teams they have that arrangement with, then that is a huge difference in profit at the end of the year. if the seller gives 10 teams a £750 discount per year thats a huge £7500 profit difference. That £7500 could be given straight to a pro team who would be able to train more frequently and would improve accordingly. That £7500 could be used to pay for flights to train against other teams, hotels etc.....and would make a huge difference.

And the incentive for the US paint company to hand over this hypothetical £7.5k is what exactly ?

 

[Dazdread]

Is it not the case that the seller does not necessarily foot the bill but the manufacture.

The seller is given a budget of merchandise and discounts which the seller distributes as they see fit to their best interests.

I agree that the cash pot may be smaller but what the whole of the paitball industry needs is a bigger well to fill the pot from, and to insentivise the smaller teams gives the rest something to strive for as well as making it easier to encourage new players.

 

[T.B.F.K.A.T.L.]

Seems to me that Sam is a bit miffed as to the amount of sponsorship some lower level teams get. This is just life even though the companies are not getting a huge profit out of a team they are still getting a sale and a profit now if they don't offer these sweeteners to teams they get no sale and thus no profit at all. If they cut all this sponsorship and just gave better deals to the big teams they would soon go out of buisness as the smaller teams would go to different companies.
An example is the rps shearer case. They decided a couple of years ago that they would cut all sponsorship to all teams. this caused those teams that were on shearer to go bugger paying £60 quid for a case of paint and moved onto companies that were prepared to give them deals. RPS have since realised that they shot themsleves in the foot and have since changed thier views and are offering good deals to teams. like the buy 5 get 6 case, buy 10 get 12 case deals.

Manike hit the nail on the head with his comment, it is all about the image a team gives to the community. A potential sponser is far more likely to give a deal to a team who go out to help out other players as much as they can and seem approachable then to a team who are up thier own arses and don't want to mingle with anybody. regardless of what level of paintball they play.

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Robbo
And the incentive for the US paint company to hand over this hypothetical £7.5k is what exactly ?

The potential for another Nexus to spring up. If you gave Maggued and Joy or the Ducklings £7500 i am sure that they would be able to do things that maybe they were not able to do because of the lack of cash, or that they had already shot all of their paint allocation etc...

I would imagine that they could pay coaches from the States to come over and coach, or pay you or others with extensive knowledge to fly out and coach. With that £7500 that would be an option

 

[duffistuta]

Which is an incentive why?

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by T.B.F.K.A.T.L.
This is just life even though the companies are not getting a huge profit out of a team they are still getting a sale and a profit now if they don't offer these sweeteners to teams they get no sale and thus no profit at all. If they cut all this sponsorship and just gave better deals to the big teams they would soon go out of buisness as the smaller teams would go to different companies.

They wouldnt if every paint company did the same thing.

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by duffistuta
Which is an incentive why?

what do you mean?

 

[duffistuta]

Why is that an incentive for a paint company to lose 10 teams - which odds are are probably bringing a site at least along for the ride - to a rival manufacturer, and all the revenue that entails, in order to give a Pro team 7.5k - in addition to the X hundred thousand balls they already give them?

It's commercial suicide and the marketing geniuswho dreamed that up would be sacked instantly.