Sponsorship post. Controversial?

[Robbo]

The level of 'support' that weaker teams get is not the determinant factor. Weaker teams do not survive because of this level of support. This support is merely incentivised buying and takes advantage of lesser teams wanting to 'big up' themselves.

That said, it negates the debate between Hotpoint and Sam.

 

[sjt19]

Robbo:

do you think that Nexus would be where they are today if they had done exactly the same training, with the same backing, with the same equipment, but instead of playing the NPPL's they had only played the Millennium Series?

 

[manike]

Originally posted by sjt19
Robbo:

do you think that Nexus would be where they are today if they had done exactly the same training, with the same backing, with the same equipment, but instead of playing the NPPL's they had only played the Millennium Series?

What's your point?

Are you trying to make out that only through sponsorship they have been able to play the NPPL rather then the MS? Because if so I think's that bollocks. I believe it was a choice and not one made by the sponsorship available but where Robbo determined the competition was and where his team would learn and develop the most.

It is not more expensive and nor do you need more sponsorship to play in the states. You need more commitment (to book flights earlier) and you may need more time off work for travelling, but neither of those are sponsorship issues.

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by manike
What's your point?

Are you trying to make out that only through sponsorship they have been able to play the NPPL rather then the MS? Because if so I think's that bollocks. I believe it was a choice and not one made by the sponsorship available but where Robbo determined the competition was and where his team would learn and develop the most.

Where has that come from?????

no not at all. its a simple question, with no hidden agenda.

Was just interested to see if Robbo thought that some of the improvement that the team has made may be down to the quality of oppiosition in the NPPL. thats all

 

[manike]

OK but you were asking it in a 'sponsorship thread' and it looked like you were trying to lead Robbo to an answer. My bad, sorry.

I have no doubt their paintball has improved from playing stateside.

Ask PeeGee what he thought of paintball in America and the X-ball there as compared to the Nations cup. Actually Nick Truter commented on it also. Both were suprised about how much better it was to watch and how the teams played in comparison.

They do play a different game, and so far the way they play it seems to be best.

I'd like to think my game has improved from the amount I've been playing/practicing over there. Can't wait to do the whole of next season!

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by manike
OK but you were asking it in a 'sponsorship thread' and it looked like you were trying to lead Robbo to an answer. My bad, sorry.

Thats cool, i didnt realise that it was going to go the way that it has. I just wondered if Robbo thought that Nexus would be as good as they are if they had not played the NPPL and had only played MS. Something that has struck me from watching them is that they seem to play more like an American pro team rather than a Euro one. This must have come from the States as they constantly improve their game playing against people who play that style anyway like Avalanche, Dynasty etc... And i wondered if Robbo was coaching them in an American way/encouraging an American style or not, or whether they had picked it up from playing top US teams consistently.

Originally posted by manike
I have no doubt their paintball has improved from playing stateside.

Me neither

Originally posted by manike
Ask PeeGee what he thought of paintball in America and the X-ball there as compared to the Nations cup. Actually Nick Truter commented on it also. Both were suprised about how much better it was to watch and how the teams played in comparison.

I did yesterday, and he was so excited about it he sounded like Paul Gascoigne on speed......it must have been good!

Originally posted by manike
They do play a different game, and so far the way they play it seems to be best.

Thats was my point overall, the best competition is in the States, but after teams playing the MS they dont usually have the cash to play the NPPL as well. Maybe the answer is for the top teams like the Ducks, Joy etc....to play NPPL solely next year?

Originally posted by manike
I'd like to think my game has improved from the amount I've been playing/practicing over there. Can't wait to do the whole of next season!

 

[Hotpoint]

Originally posted by Robbo
The level of 'support' that weaker teams get is not the determinant factor. Weaker teams do not survive because of this level of support. This support is merely incentivised buying and takes advantage of lesser teams wanting to 'big up' themselves.

That said, it negates the debate between Hotpoint and Sam.

I think you underestimate the impact of even limited support on certain teams, and indeed individual players. When I was a student a source of cheaper paint (through support from ZAP) was one of the reasons I could afford to play regularly

Even saving £5 per box can make a big difference to some teams especially when starting out. I'd argue that if anything Sponsorship should be removed from Am teams and given to (genuine) Novice Teams in order to develop the next generation

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by sjt19
Robbo: do you think that Nexus would be where they are today if they had done exactly the same training, with the same backing, with the same equipment, but instead of playing the NPPL's they had only played the Millennium Series?

I think, if I look back over the year, taking into account Toulouse and Campaign as against HB, Vegas, Chicago and New York...I think the difference between the standard of play we have achieved by going Stateside as against exclusively playing in Europe would be not as much you might think.

The one area where I did think I learnt something Stateside that I wouldn't necessarily have learnt playing Millenniums is the signicance of aggressive play.
Far too many teams over here play counterpunch paintball when an aggressive game is needed if you are really serious about playing high end paintball.
You can get some reasonable results in Europe by playing counter punch paintball but you won't win any tournaments by playing it whereas you wouldn't get anywhere playing that way if you went over to play in the US.
Aggressive play, if effected properly, guarantees your team a much more consistent success portfolio in terms of wins against teams.
Any improvements we (Nexus) made over the year are 85% (+ or - 5%) due to our training.
I hope this answers your question Sam.

 

[duffistuta]

/Even saving £5 per box can make a big difference to some teams especially when starting out./

Yes, but that's not sponsorship, it's incentivised buying.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Hotpoint
I think you underestimate the impact of even limited support on certain teams, and indeed individual players. When I was a student a source of cheaper paint (through support from ZAP) was one of the reasons I could afford to play regularly

Even saving £5 per box can make a big difference to some teams especially when starting out. I'd argue that if anything Sponsorship should be removed from Am teams and given to (genuine) Novice Teams in order to develop the next generation

I'll let you argue the marginals.....and I'll concern myself with the majorities....