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manike

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Originally posted by le-pig
question is will this affect marker parts,ie a electric frame is not a marker,a marker body is not a working marker,i,m sure you know where i'm going with this;)
If you provide a kit of parts that allows someone to put an electro gun together then you would still be liable. It's kind of like 'aiding and abbetting'.

As for electro grip frames? well here are the current SP patents

http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US006474326.pdf

http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US006349711.pdf

http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US006035843.pdf

http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US005967133.pdf

http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US005881707.pdf

I suggest paying particular attention to 4326 (the first in the list and most recently granted patent) and claims 7 and 8...

7 covers electro grip frames in dependently, and 8 looks broad enough to cover any electro gun so far... and that could even be conceived.
 

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I found this on an other forum
alright being a sp supporter, i called up sp and they told me to email spesh so i did(other ppl got the same resonse also). I also use most sp equpitment( besides my pack).. dan is a good guy soo stop bashing him

Smart Parts as a company is not suing every company but we are going after Indian Creek Designs at the moment. It is a lawsuit that does pertain to the electronic gun design. I’m really not sure why people are trying to boycott or even have any interest in this matter. We did invent and do have patents on certain electronic gun designs, that other companies have used to further there own line of markers. We as a company tried to settle these issues out of court but none of the other companies would do that so we are suing for patent infringement on our ideas, just like any company or person who has invented something would. You can’t have companies stealing ideas from people and or companies to further there own business and not give back to the inventor. I assure you we are not going after these companies for selfish reasons; we are only trying to run an honest and family oriented business that makes the best paintball products out there. If everyone can steal your ideas and get away with it then where would this country be today? Thank you so much for your support

Spesh Robinson

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Originally posted by Paul_collier
Question for Rancid, Duff, Mr Big, Robbo et all...

What do you guys think, are they right or Wrong to persue this?
If successfull is this a good thing for paintball?
Will SP ads still continue to adorn the mag?

What about Sponsored Teams, will you guys step up in protest or do you agree??

Cheers,

Paul

In my opinion Paul, it sucks, it can only be bad for the sport, both in the short term and more definitely, long term.
I agree with anybody trying to protect what they have invented with regard to specific design but this is ridiculous in my book.

But if the remit of this action covers the general use of electonics when applied to mechanical paintball markers, it can't be right, but if it is merely protecting a specific design, then I have no problem with it.
 

Collier

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Originally posted by Robbo
In my opinion Paul, it sucks, it can only be bad for the sport, both in the short term and more definitely, long term.
I agree with anybody trying to protect what they have invented with regard to specific design but this is ridiculous in my book.

But if the remit of this action covers the general use of electonics when applied to mechanical paintball markers, it can't be right, but if it is merely protecting a specific design, then I have no problem with it.
Cheers for the input Pete!
Agreed!:)

Paul
:)
 

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Originally posted by Q[TXR]
Doc Nickel has written a good FAQ on the subject which can be found here
Good link that is mate :) breaks all of the points down nice and friendly like. So it appears SP are only currently persuing ICD, and the reasoning behind it appears to be to get an easy result to use as a precedent... :(

I got nothing against people protecting there rights with regard to things they have designed/concieved but I think SP are stepping over the mark on this one... and I'm sorry but I don't believe that if they manage to get away with the pursuit of ICD that they will stop there do you??!!
 

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If you take a look at the 4326 patent it's very interesting to see claim 7.

It's an independent claim about electronic grip frames. I didn't know SP made a stand alone grip frame product... or that they came up with the idea to do that such that it could be retro fitted to older style guns...

Claim 8 is an interesting one also, it's the very broad one which looks to capture the essence of using electronics in a paintball gun.

Strange how they could get that in their latest patent, but couldn't in their first when patenting the shocker...

It's also very clearly prior art from an earlier Navy patent... that's why they couldn't get it in the first patent...

Oh and in the case history they argue against their first patent (which had to be tight to get granted) and say that open bolt is the same thing as closed bolt... have they been misleading us all with their marketing for the last few years?

They had to narrow their claims to get their first patent granted, once it was granted they based new patents off it, and slowly but surely broadened the claims to capture things that seem to have been prior art and not allowed in the first patent!

I would have no problem if they had invented the concept of electronically controlled paintball guns. If they had done that and patented it I would take my hat off and wish them the best.

The thing is, it was in the public domain and known as prior art.

They then patented and are now in my opinion trying to enforce patents on things they have no right to ownership of.

Take a look at some other prior art... please note discussing ideas and inventions on the web is like giving it away as you are immediately putting the information into the public domain...

1995 9th of January

and this

1995 April 18th

Is that our very own Tyger? Geeze did he actually do something worthwhile for paintball? :eek: ;)
 

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Smart Parts as a company is not suing every company but we are going after Indian Creek Designs at the moment. It is a lawsuit that does pertain to the electronic gun design. I’m really not sure why people are trying to boycott or even have any interest in this matter. We did invent and do have patents on certain electronic gun designs, that other companies have used to further there own line of markers. We as a company tried to settle these issues out of court but none of the other companies would do that so we are suing for patent infringement on our ideas, just like any company or person who has invented something would. You can’t have companies stealing ideas from people and or companies to further there own business and not give back to the inventor. I assure you we are not going after these companies for selfish reasons; we are only trying to run an honest and family oriented business that makes the best paintball products out there. If everyone can steal your ideas and get away with it then where would this country be today? Thank you so much for your support
SP are tying themselves in knots and not being honest.

An SP insider said to a friend of mine to hold off developing an electro gun because soon SP would be going after ALL electro gun manufacturers...

Do you notice how it says "going after ICD at the moment" ?

They are lining themselves up to go after everyone. WDP is next apparently.

Anyway the Bushmaster was out way before the Impulse. AND BOTH are using the Angel's design! not the design that SP first patented.

Why go after ICD? Because Jerry has been ill, and they are the easiest company to set a precedent with? nah couldn't be.

They ripped off the bushy/angel design to make the impulse.

They ripped off the barrel insert design from OTP (rumour has it that is their next crusade).
 

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Oh dear, it looks as though my promise of shooting that mechanical cocker is becoming more and more of a possibility........bugger.:( :( :(