Smart Parts Patents

[Parksy]

True enough your points Sean

I agree that theres no point of getting over excited about it. I just feel that if they get away with it with ICD they won't stop there

 

[Sean]

And I doubt they will to,

But from the outcry here and everywhere else I dont think they will get away with it!

It all depends how much people disagree with what happens! If they win with ICD i have a feeling everyone (manufacturers, players etc) will pull together to stop anything further.

Its not possible for them to win this without destroying or setting a sport back 10 years (eg expensive paint prices, gun prices etc)which they have worked to bring to where it is now!

Isnt it obvious the people wont tolerate it?

So come on guys there must be a petition somewhere! But focus on the now, not the but i heard

 

[le-pig]

Originally posted by dnafwtbtitft

And individuals can also be prosecuted by SP, for having, owning or building such a gun, it seems considering a recent article on American law I read...

now you have to be kidding us,we the consumer can be prosecuted for buying markers off reputable companys,who addvetise there products in every pb mag you buy,sponser tounies ect.
what are we meant to do,hand over our prised possesions
and beg for forgivness
hell freezing over springs to mind

 

[shwoomie]

well it seems that SP is giving a press release of this matter in about 2 weeks...until then keep yer fingers crossed


heres the pbn thread of it!

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=278170

 

[Tyger]

Originally posted by dnafwtbtitft

1995 April 18th

Is that our very own Tyger? Geeze did he actually do something worthwhile for paintball?

Back in the AOL days, when ASCII sigs ruled the world....

For everyne here, the way it works is you go after a small company that cant' really afford to defend itself. You win a case against them, and set a legal precidence. Once that precidence is set, it's VERY HARD for any judge to go a diffrent way on it. Any lawyer worth thie salt can point to a case that's come before and say "In 'The people vs Joe Blow' the courts awarded tihs to the people. Therefore you must reward the people now in the same manner."

So far the best summation of this is from Doc Nickel. You can see it by clicking here. Sums it up all rather nicely. I've always respected Doc for straight shooting through rhethoric.

But SP suing ICD is a means to set legal precident, so they can go after the companies with money and have a legal 'leg' to stand on. IT's hard to fight a battle you've already lost, if you know what I mean. This is, naturally, asuming that the SP patent is not too 'broad'.

I have other opinions on this, I'm holding back on them. The timing of it all just intrests me. Ask yourself "Why now?" and you'll probably figure out what I think I have.

-Tyger

 

[Scotty D]

I don't know if this will have any effect on the out come but I can remember an article in an Air rifle magazine that was about a new competition air pistol that used an electronic trigger.
I did read this magazine at least 10 years ago so I can't remember much about it other than the workings of the firing system were the same as electronic markers "invented" about 4 or 5 years later.

To give you an idea of how long ago it was, I had just bought a new Tippman PRO-AM marker apparently just new on the market.

 

[rancid]

dear mr dnafwtbtitft

I am sure you are very well intentioned me old beauty, but the following stuff is the kinda thing that perhaps undermines your position.... maybe?

Originally posted by dnafwtbtitft
SP are tying themselves in knots and not being honest.

Not being honest?! Blimey. But, hold on. We have it on good authority cos....

An SP insider said to a friend of mine to hold off developing an electro gun because soon SP would be going after ALL electro gun manufacturers...

Then a little bit of guess work....

WDP is next apparently.

Yes, but sp ain't evil enough hence...

Why go after ICD? Because Jerry has been ill

So, let's put everyone straight...

They ripped off the bushy/angel design to make the impulse.

How's about a bit more conjecture...

They ripped off the barrel insert design from OTP (rumour has it that is their next crusade).

Wait, there's more.....

We know they are sueing WDP.

News to them.

So now we start to doubt other stuff... (remember mate, we ain't as well versed as you).

I know because I have been spoken to directly by the people concerned that.....

and...

It's been stated by a colleague of Mike Cassidy that.......

of course we can always refer back to our 'friend'....

I know a member of SP told a friend of mine to hold of making electro guns.

And then the ultimate nail in the coffin....

It's known that people who now work for SP (Adam Gardner) or who were involved with SP (George Davison) have been involved in patent scams/fraud before

What the fk has that got to do with anything?

And then, a real beauty....

All of that is fact as far as I am aware.

Thank goodness you've backed it all up. But surely, there's got to be a bit more gossip going round....


There are also rumours from other prominent members of the industry as to the royalties and costs being asked for...

Thank goodness.

Hey, how about a bit of nonsense? Ok then....

individuals can also be prosecuted by SP for owning such a gun

eh? that's outrageous. That surely can't be the case... oh yes it can. Why?

a recent article on American law I read...

Jesus. We're knackered if you read it in an article. But hold on, you're getting too serious on our arses...

Rumour has it SP are out to stop WDP completely.

Guess who's back in the muthafkin house.

And the conclusion you come to that is, after all, built on this house of bricks?


If SP Win they will make millions out of other people's IP. Many companies will close down (either because they are not given licences by SP)

Oh surely not. Perhaps they can work it out. Nup cos...

they can not afford the licencing fee... currently rumoured to be $1,000,000 (yes one million dollars) per model line, and £50-$75 per gun.

Currently rumoured? Currently rumoured by who?

So mate. I take everything you say as being straight, but i think you could have made the case a little clearer and cut out some of the 'rumour'.

Just my take.

 

[Baca Loco]

How will PGI look with one advertiser?

Seems to me most of the "rumor" and "speculation" is about just what SP want outta all this. After all, they are suing ICD and should they be successful the precedent will be, at a minimum, a blunt object to use on the rest of the industry.
So--
Is everyone else who could eventually be affected sitting around and waiting their turn?
How do some of SP's PSP and X-Ball partners feel about this? Do they feel like future targets?
And why WDP, if, in fact, WDP is next in line? Could it have anything to do with the fact that WDP parent Pure Promotions which makes the NPPL Super 7 viable? And does that put Kingman, Brass Eagle and PMI at the top of the list after WDP--should it ever come to that?

No answers--just questions.

 

[John_Wilson]

Same Lines as

... Weapons of Mass Distraction?! sorry destruction?


I see it now, We know they will do this because the are "bad people"

Instead of calling smart parts Nazis ( please think what if you were German?) maybe we should see what happens in the next couple of months, I'm sure that we'll find out soon enough.

IF they are planning to destroy other companies then maybe a common sense well formulated arguement would be better then "Smart parts are nazis"

I also seem to remember one of those patents showing there head a while ago and getting about 10 posts?

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Tyger
Back in the AOL days, when ASCII sigs ruled the world....

For everyne here, the way it works is you go after a small company that cant' really afford to defend itself. You win a case against them, and set a legal precidence. Once that precidence is set, it's VERY HARD for any judge to go a diffrent way on it. Any lawyer worth thie salt can point to a case that's come before and say "In 'The people vs Joe Blow' the courts awarded tihs to the people. Therefore you must reward the people now in the same manner."

So far the best summation of this is from Doc Nickel. You can see it by clicking here. Sums it up all rather nicely. I've always respected Doc for straight shooting through rhethoric.

But SP suing ICD is a means to set legal precident, so they can go after the companies with money and have a legal 'leg' to stand on. IT's hard to fight a battle you've already lost, if you know what I mean. This is, naturally, asuming that the SP patent is not too 'broad'.

I have other opinions on this, I'm holding back on them. The timing of it all just intrests me. Ask yourself "Why now?" and you'll probably figure out what I think I have.

-Tyger

tyger, instead of trying to make yerself look good by inventing yet another conspiracy theory, and basking in yet another reflection, why don't ya just call Adam and ask him?

I mean, think of the mileage you could get from that....you could and no doubt would, go round telling each and every soul, YOU were talking to Adam Gardner and he said.......
My god, how important you would feel !!

Jeeeez get a life