Return of the King

[fred1]

There is a good example of what Robbo is saying in Part II to be taken from the Swiss example. We only had one paintball center in Geneva and it was so business oriented that today I am the ONLY and I say ONLY active tournament paintball player in the canton (state)!!! We tried to tell them but they wouldn't listen.

CD sportz (Killian and Wuschi from Consilium Dei) opened up an indoor center a year ago about a half hour from Zurich and its basically walk on. Plus they organise 5 tournaments a year (Swiss Indoor Series) where they get a couple good teams to attend(and that impresses the walk on players who see the other side of paintball). Suddenly the next tournament, alot of the guys playing with Spyders are now sporting Dye or JT from head to toe. A little later they are the happy owners of new electro markers and they are diving all over the place. And the majority of the people bought the equipment from CDs store...... In the last year, paintball in that region of Switzerland has exploded. And I'm still the only tourney player in the Geneva area (approx 450'000 people).... Business wise it seems to be a success. For the sport its a blessing! Alot of new upcoming talent.... well alot is maybe a big word but at least some.

 

[martin]

training

Originally posted by markie c
i ve just openend a training site in manchester and its £12.50 a head fair enough its no ware near as good as sc village but we are new at this and buildding it up bit by bit we can split the field in two so teams can train on there own but they just end up playing games.
the field is there for what any wants if people just want to take a bunker and go and snap on there own they can but it never happens
the only team i know of (and other people will know other teams )
and not pro ie nexus shock tigers, who actully train and do drills all day is the kellys and even if they cant get together they train on there own .
my point is (if i actully have one ) there are places to train but its up to the people to do what they want you cant tell me that every u.s team has had top rate sponsership to get to the top.

We drill at home in colchester Alot and it cost's money we are driven to be the best we can so we just pay it. But alot of teams are not driven to be the best they can. So they do what they want to do. Which is fair enough.
The amount of teams who are driven i think it would be 5/6 teams in the uk, half of them don't train together.
so if we have 500 players and 5/6 of those teams are driven we would have alot more if the pool were bigger. and there level would rise because they would have more competition hense driving them harder!
I wonder what percentage of the us population plays ball compared with the uk's?
I would think a whole lot more.

 

[Bolter]

Ok deserve was the wrong word to use, and I approached my statement wrong. No-one deserves sponsorship, they earn it. For example teams that are committed to whole series. Teams that train regularly and teams that are always trying to progress and play the best.

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by Bolter
Ok deserve was the wrong word to use, and I approached my statement wrong. No-one deserves sponsorship, they earn it. For example teams that are committed to whole series. Teams that train regularly and teams that are always trying to progress and play the best.

I'd disagree mate.

Team committing to a whole series - A group of people agree to participate in their hobby for their own pleasure; why do they deserve sponsorship?

Teams that train regularly - This helps my business sell even one extra product how?

Teams trying to progress - See above

Take me for example, I race mountain bikes - I spend thousands each year on kit, bikes and travelling to compete across Europe. I train an average of 3 hours a day in season, and I'll tend to place in the MTB equivalent of the Sunday club pretty much every event. Do I deserve sponsorship? Do I bollocks...

I've been banging this drum for a decade now, but the way Paintballers view sponsorship is absolutely beyond me and is not replicated in any other sport I am aware of.

 

[Bolter]

Duff, I have apologised for using the wrong word. Twice. Please retract any memories of me using the word "deserve". I didnt think straight, didnt post right and now regret it.

Sponsorship to me is a bonus. It is a coming together between two bodies. A team that plays well, is always on the podium, and promotes themselves well is going to benefit a company that is willing to back them by giving them access to products and equipment. If a team is getting themselves in the magazines, on videos, on podiums, on forums, people will notice, and they will notice what they use/shoot. This is the benefit for the company. This is why I dont understand why teams right down to Nov teams get some sort of deal. I understand it helps them out. But what benefit is it to a company like yours?

 

[Piper]

I had a conversation with a salesman from another paintball company not so long ago that went along the lines of:

"hey Piper I ride my Honda motorbike around town on a sunday, and that is my hobby, you know just getting away from it all for a few hours"

"Cool nice work if you can get it!"

"And in all the time I have been riding I have never written to Honda asking them for free tyres or petrol so I can do my hobby! SO tell me why do Paintballers who are playing a hobby feel that I should give them paint every month?"

"No idea but I know what you mean!"

Now maybe he should ask Honda but I think we can all guess the answer that they will give him!

So why do paintballers think they should get something for nothing?
Anyone?


Robbo's right in what he says, with some help from me, Dave and Avery.

I say support the sites (we all started there) and then maybe the sites will in turn support your team!

 

[DarWood]

My opinion, and sorry if it has already been mentioned!

From what i did read there has been alot of talk about player talent pools, and how the uk have a such a little one compared the US?
Forgive me if im wrong but doesnt the legion float in the same boat
Sergey began drilling the legion players on a 5/6 day a week training scheme purely because they didnt have the player talent pools the yanks so much boast about. Sure they have a few other euro players in there, but forgive me if I'm again wrong but dont they contend with even the almighty dynasty, and still manage to walk over some extremely good yank teams like the philly's, infamous and the assassins.

Sorry but maybe its not the player pool that effects how the Euros contend against the yanks, but maybe the amount of time spent on training, correctly!

The facts are there, but then again wheres the 'cha ching'!

Just my views!

Darren

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by Bolter
Duff, I have apologised for using the wrong word. Twice. Please retract any memories of me using the word "deserve". I didnt think straight, didnt post right and now regret it.

Sponsorship to me is a bonus. It is a coming together between two bodies. A team that plays well, is always on the podium, and promotes themselves well is going to benefit a company that is willing to back them by giving them access to products and equipment. If a team is getting themselves in the magazines, on videos, on podiums, on forums, people will notice, and they will notice what they use/shoot. This is the benefit for the company.

This is why I dont understand why teams right down to Nov teams get some sort of deal. I understand it helps them out, but what benefit is it to a company like yours?

1. Don't apologise mate, I wasn't having a go.

2. Now you're talking.

3. With the odd very rare exception, none at all.

 

[DarWood]

Originally posted by Andy Piper
I had a conversation with a salesman from another paintball company not so long ago that went along the lines of:

"hey Piper I ride my Honda motorbike around town on a sunday, and that is my hobby, you know just getting away from it all for a few hours"

"Cool nice work if you can get it!"

"And in all the time I have been riding I have never written to Honda asking them for free tyres or petrol so I can do my hobby! SO tell me why do Paintballers who are playing a hobby feel that I should give them paint every month?"

"No idea but I know what you mean!"

Now maybe he should ask Honda but I think we can all guess the answer that they will give him!

So why do paintballers think they should get something for nothing?
Anyone?


Robbo's right in what he says, with some help from me, Dave and Avery.

I say support the sites (we all started there) and then maybe the sites will in turn support your team!

Its all about promotion i think Pipes mate. Would you give out free paint to a team who you know would do extremely well at a promoted event, providing they had ur name on the shirt??

Yes he drives around on a bike to get away for a few hours, but honda already promote their stuff through motorbike races on sky sport Thats why they wouldnt give him free tires!

 

[Piper]

Originally posted by DarWood

1)Its all about promotion i think Pipes mate. Would you give out free paint to a team who you know would do extremely well at a promoted event, providing they had ur name on the shirt??

2)Yes he drives around on a bike to get away for a few hours, but honda already promote their stuff through motorbike races on sky sport Thats why they wouldnt give him free tires!

1) NO. Not unless there was a site owner on the team that was buying paint from us. Monday-Friday what good does it do me? None. With a site owner on the team makes all the difference. Start with the sites then work from there.

2) SO the same as the majority of paintballers in this country then